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Old 12-23-2016, 04:46 PM
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45 Colt or 45/70 - in a rifle


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The new Henry single-shot rifles are being offered in 45/70, among other cartridges. For some time, I have considered buying a Henry lever-action in 45 Colt, but since the single-shot isn't offered in that chambering, I was wondering if some of you guys who have shot both could weigh in.

Can the 45/70 be loaded down to the same velocity range as the most powerful of the 45 Colt loads? In other words, is there any reason to get the 45 Colt, if the 45/70 is available and you're a handloader?
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I just checked out the Henry web site and see the single shot rifle is a break action.

I know there have been likely millions of such rifles made and used, but I still prefer a more solid lockup.

As per your question, I'm sure you know the term "mild to wild" that is connected to the 45/70 in regards to the possibilities of hand load levels possible with that cartridge.

Without question you can load the 45/70 down to the levels you desire.

If you don't find the info you desire on this forum, check out the Marlin Owners Forum or the Cast Boolits Forum where it is common to see posts about what some call collar button 45/70 loads.

These loads typically use a very light for caliber bullet and a fast powder such as Unique.

Light loads, low recoil and velocity.

My vote would be for the 45/70 as it will provide you a broader range of load possibilities.

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Crusty Ol Coot is correct, I have the H&R 22" 45-70 and shooting trapdoor loads are very manageable.
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I'd also think the .44mag rechambered to .444 would make an excellent choice.
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I'm a big fan of the 45-70 and I load it down on a regular basis for "plinking" shooting. However, based on your line of thinking why don't you just get the 44mag. You can load it up or down and easily make a deer or plinking gun. You can use carbide dies, cases are easier to find, and bullets are easier to get and you can get a better selection of jacketed bullets. I don't see any advantage the 45 has over the 44. Just my musings.
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I'm a big fan of the 45-70 and I load it down on a regular basis for "plinking" shooting. However, based on your line of thinking why don't you just get the 44mag. You can load it up or down and easily make a deer or plinking gun. You can use carbide dies, cases are easier to find, and bullets are easier to get and you can get a better selection of jacketed bullets. I don't see any advantage the 45 has over the 44. Just my musings.
Already own a 44/40 lever gun and a 44RM Contender carbine. I need another gun like a hole in the head, but those new Henry single-shots look purdy, so...

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I have a RUGER 77/44 and figure it is about a 100yd deer gun, while I used my 45/70 to take a 161yd elk this year.

Buy the 45/70!

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You could always rechamber the .44Mag to the .445SM and shoot both. That .445 is fascinating and brass is available, tho I made mine from some 30/40 I had laying around. GW
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I have a Winchester "Trapper" in .45 Colt and it's a fun gun for sure. I also have an older Marlin 45/70 and absolutely love that rifle. I load it up to pretty good power with a 400 grain JSP to 1800fps. It's a hammer on deer; Thor's hammer, that is. I load the Colt to around 900fps to 1000fps with lead bullets.
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I've shot both and love both! For plinking and smaller game, you just can't beat the 45LC. For the bigger stuff (like anything on the planet), I'll take a 45-70 shooting 430gr hard-cast at 1950fps...

You cant go wrong with either really! Here is one of my favorites: https://youtu.be/rsgZt4XhqDs

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45-70 for a 'rifle'. 45 LC for a 'carbine'.
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I have owned an 1874 SHARPS for a few years and the accuracy is great and fun to shoot. Be patient when working up a load for it as the accuracy is your ultimate goal. I also own and shoot my MARLIN 1895 which has given me great service and accuracy.
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