Never been hunting - Shooters Forum
» Advanced

Go Back   Shooters Forum > Hunting > Southwest Hunting
Register FAQ Members List Donate Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read



Like Tree7Likes
  • 1 Post By kdub
  • 1 Post By broom_jm
  • 2 Post By onelongshot
  • 1 Post By MontyF
  • 1 Post By nachogrande
  • 1 Post By gunpa
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-04-2012, 09:24 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Houston - R of T
Posts: 98
Never been hunting


Registered Users do not see the above ad.


So, I have never been deer hunting. Not even once. I am a city boy who bought his first handgun for SD a few months ago, but is now in the process of constructing his first AR-15. I can't wait till that beast is completed. Although hunting is something I have never done, and I am building the A3 mostly for self defense (obviously in only the worst of situations), and long range target shooting.

Suddenly, since I have decided I like guns so much, I have an urge to go deer hunting for the first time in my entire life. Is an AR a good gun to go hunting with? Or is it to "assault rifle "ish"? Just asking. I'm sure this will be my only rifle, at least for a while, but I'd like to get the most use out of it. Not to mention I really want to learn hunting skills. Love deer meat too. I live in Houston so if anyone has any advice for me, please share. I know someone is gonna tell me I need to learn how to shoot a bow and arrow, and that also is something I will learn in due time, but at first it'll have to be the rifle. I am just mainly interested in learning everything that goes along with hunting, including the fun and "not so fun" parts (dirty stuff I mean).

I had a conversation last year about what would happen if God forbid the economy went south again, and this guy who is a backwoods deerhunting redneck by his own admission told me, "well, those of us who know how to hunt and fish won't have anything to worry about". I just nodded and smiled, while I was thinking to myself, "oh...and I don't know how to hunt, and haven't been fishing in decades".
__________________
"Always take hold of things by the smooth handle"
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-05-2012, 04:22 AM
MikeG's Avatar
The Hog Whisperer (Administrator)
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 32,731
It's a little light, but southern deer are small. I know guys that shoot pigs with .223s all the time, and pigs are way tougher than deer.

Any centerfire is legal for deer hunting in Texas. I would use 55gr. soft points - or if you can find them, the Winchester 64gr. PowerPoint.

Have you gotten your hunter safety education course yet?
__________________
MikeG

Quote:
Originally Posted by faucettb
Welcome to the forum. Rules are simple, be nice and join in.

Last edited by MikeG; 03-05-2012 at 06:08 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-05-2012, 04:32 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Mooresville, IN
Posts: 11,988
There are differing opinions on whether or not the 5.56/223 cartridge is suitable for deer hunting. The rifle itself, despite being designed for warfare, would not be a limitation. If you can place bullets right where you want them to go, that is really the most important thing a rifle has to do. The bullets used for plinking/SD are frequently of a full-metal jacket design and those are not appropriate for deer hunting. You would want a soft-point, expanding style of bullet for hunting. Specifically, you would want a 224" diameter bullet designed for DEER hunting...not varmints. These would typically be somewhat heavier and more solidly constructed than the lighter, more frangible varmint bullets.

Personally, I think the 223 is not enough cartridge for deer because it does not offer the margin for error of larger caliber cartridges. At best, it is suitable for experienced hunters/shooters that are after smaller-bodied southern deer. Many states specifically ban the 223 or any rifle shooting a bullet with a diameter less than .243"... I think that is wise counsel. If you want to go deer hunting and simply can't find a relative or friend with a more powerful rifle that you can use, at least make sure the ammo you use from your 223 is meant for deer hunting and not varmints.

Good luck!

Jason
__________________
"My serious suggestion is to buy one rifle and then buy another one. And another." JBelk
Reply With Quote
 
  #4  
Old 03-05-2012, 06:42 AM
The Troll Whisperer (Moderator)
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Mesa, Arizona
Posts: 21,836
As MikeG says, a whole bunch of deer have been taken in Texas with the AR-15 and its clones shooting heavy hunting hullets.

The thing you need to do is get a copy of the Texas game regulations to determine the types of ammo and the magazine capacity allowed for big game hunting.
__________________
NRA Benefactor Member
NRA Certified Police Firearms Instructor
NRA Certified Range Safety Officer


"Firearms only have two enemies - rust and politicans" author unknown
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-05-2012, 07:57 AM
MikeG's Avatar
The Hog Whisperer (Administrator)
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 32,731
I can help -

Soft points.
No restrictions on mag capacity (although the other hunters may look at you funny if you show up with a 90 round drum magazine ).
__________________
MikeG

Quote:
Originally Posted by faucettb
Welcome to the forum. Rules are simple, be nice and join in.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-05-2012, 08:23 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Fort Worth
Posts: 604
+1 on Kdub and Mike G's comments. I have hunted Texas and not much else for over 30 years, and I killed my first deer with a .224 caliber rifle (granted, it was a 224 Weatherby, but still). In addition to the 64gr winchesters recommended above, I have tested Nosler Partitions (60gr), Barnes TSX (53 and 55gr), and Hornady GMX (55gr) for penetration, and was surprised at how well all three did. Every one of them went at least 8" through one wet, and two dry law books stacked one in front of the other. I wanted to know which one did the best, because I plan to use them for hogs. If you have a faster twist barrel, you can get away with some of the heavier, longer .224 bullets, but I'm shooting a 1:12" twist in my CZ so I'm limited.

I know for a fact that the Barnes and Noslers are sold in Federal Premium cartridges, and Hornady sells the 55gr GMX in loaded cartridges.

If you want to hunt deer with your AR, and you don't handload, I would definitely consider a box of any of the above. You owe it to the deer to use a premium bullet. DON'T use a varmint, match, or FMJ bullet on deer. The premium hunting bullets will do the job if you do yours. Good luck.

Deck
__________________
Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement.
-Winston Churchill
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-06-2012, 06:29 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Houston - R of T
Posts: 98
I haven't taken the hunting safety course, and I'd most likely be going hunting somewhere in Louisiana with my sister and brother in law, and if I do that, then I will most likely use one of their many hunting rifles. For the first time anyway. I will definitely not use a varmint round on a deer. Just because of the simple fact that I have been told 3 times in this thread, there is obviously a good reason lol....
__________________
"Always take hold of things by the smooth handle"
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-06-2012, 06:48 PM
The Troll Whisperer (Moderator)
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Mesa, Arizona
Posts: 21,836
Whatever state, be sure to check the requirements for the hunter safety course prior to applying for a license. In some states, anyone born after 1976 must have the safety course certificate.
nachogrande likes this.
__________________
NRA Benefactor Member
NRA Certified Police Firearms Instructor
NRA Certified Range Safety Officer


"Firearms only have two enemies - rust and politicans" author unknown
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-07-2012, 03:19 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Mooresville, IN
Posts: 11,988
Quote:
Originally Posted by kdub View Post
Whatever state, be sure to check the requirements for the hunter safety course prior to applying for a license. In some states, anyone born after 1976 must have the safety course certificate.
...and while you're looking at those regulations, make sure the state you're hunting in allows the use of centerfire 22 rifles for deer hunting. Many states do not.
nachogrande likes this.
__________________
"My serious suggestion is to buy one rifle and then buy another one. And another." JBelk
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-28-2012, 03:05 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Woodstock, Connecticut
Posts: 348
Delighted to hear you are becoming part of the hunting community, welcome! Mike G. and others were 100% correct, the first step is safety courses, both for firearm's instruction and hunting. Do yourself a favor and ask one of the safety instructors what gun club or shooting club they would recommend joining. In terms of cost, joining a shooting club is most often less expensive than a gym membership. There are always a few senior members who will gladly share their experience and knowledge; I don't know of anyone who couldn't benefit from making a new friend or two either.

Like any other type of sport or activity, you will meet some who think they have the answer for any question or occasion; they have all the answers but little if any experience, and others who's knowledge will greatly enhance your shooting and hunting endeavors.

Lastly, I will share one bit of knowledge I was taught many years ago when I went rabbit hunting for the first time at age nine with my best friend. My friend's father sat me down and told me that when you pull the trigger there aren't any redoes. What he meant was, if you make a mistake it might be something you have to live with the rest of your life. Shooting and hunting are wonderful sports, we just have to remember the responsibilities we accept as well.

I almost forgot, rifles for men are like shoes for women; there is always a need or occasion to justify just one more. My "had to have" varmint rifle was shipped last week and, my latest deer rifle is supposed to be shipped this week. it's going to be a great year!
CCAguns and nachogrande like this.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-29-2012, 12:55 PM
Sus Scrofa's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: England UK
Posts: 7,125
Finding a club or syndicate with hunting lease is a good move. The help and info you will get is well worth the money. YES, take the safety course, BUT don't think you then know it all. Here in the UK we now have what are called Deer Stalking Courses and I have been out with a few who have passed the test who I would not go with again. I shoot a 22BR fairly regularly for roe deer and our smaller deer and the 60gr Nosler Partition does the job and I would guess it would be adequate for the small Hill Country deer in Texas. The important bit with the 22 centrefires is accuracy, put that bullet on the button and the deer will fall over .... no angled shots , no snap shots etc etc. Patience for that perfect stance where you can insert that bullet just behind both front legs, mid way up the body and all hydraulic power will fail very quickly.
The black rifle will do the job if you do, within reasonable ranges and lets face it the fun is in stalking up and petting them first ...isn't it? Best of luck and hope to see a story or two in the Hunting Story section with pics. We all have our favorites, but the 60grn Nosler does it for me in the Encore out of a 16 inch barrel, no problem.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-12-2012, 07:15 AM
GunNut97's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 85
It's nice to have a new hunter! First off, take some safety courses so that you'll be both safe and responsible. Now to answer your question. If you like the AR-15 then that's fine. In my opinion it would probably be a better idea to swap the upper receiver for a 6.8mm SPC upper. It's a 300-350 yd deer cartridge. If you are fine spending another $650 or so then buy a Thompson Center Venture in .243 or .25-06 (since they don't kick much). It's a bolt action. I have one in .270 Win. and it's accurate enough to take care of any deer at about 300 yards or less (it can probably do better). The Venture is about $500 and you can get a Bushnell Scope for $150-$200. I hope this has helped.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-23-2015, 03:01 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Central, TX
Posts: 30
I got my start varmint hunting, mostly with airguns/shotguns on pest birds, helps you to get the feeling and aspects of it without the license and worry. I used to live in Oregon and Minnesota, easier to get access to huntable public and free access land over my present Texas location. You could also watch hunting videos, online or rented/purchased, this has helped me. Deer hunt videos are incredibly popular.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-23-2015, 03:39 PM
sarg1c's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 229
Three things mentioned to hunt deer in Kentucky would be, no FMJ, nothing holding more than ten rounds and of course, the hunter safety course card.....any center fire but I would recommend. 243 or larger. Dont forget your license and deer tag, land owner's permission.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-23-2015, 03:55 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 1,537
"Small for the intended game" cartridges (and no one doubts the .223 is small for the intended game) are cartridges for "experts". Beginners should err on the side of "adequate for the intended game". There are LOTS of cartridges in that category, and you would be wise to make your cartridge choice from that group. That includes anything from the .243 Win to the .30-06 (and many others not so common.) Any of the rounds in that range will be completely adequate for what you want to do, and give you a bit of help if you make a non-expert mistake. If you have never been hunting, it is unlikely you will be an expert. Later, maybe.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03-02-2017, 02:05 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 28
Well there is sort of two kinds of hunting. One is to go out into the deep woods of E. Texas (Houston or Crockett N.F. . You'll quickly find out why they call it "hunting". Might not get anything.
The other choice is a high fence/low fence "deal". Search the internet for what is called a "cull" hunt. These are usually near the end of the deer season and they weed out does and inferior bucks for a low price. You can more easily shoot a couple of deer. Might get free hogs and yotes thrown into the deal. That's a lot of quick experience in shooting game, skinning, field dressing etc. At that point you can then sort of head off in whatever direction you like best.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 03-02-2017, 03:24 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: West coast central Florida
Posts: 3,641
First blood

Along with the other good advice, I'd add you may want to start hunting small game &/or birds first. I learned a great deal hunting Grouse, rabbits, squirrels etc that carried over to "big game". (deer) Hunting isn't for everyone, it would be good to find out before killing Bambi. Good luck on your path. An old guy to take you under his wing & pass on decades worth of hard learned lessons would save you much time/trouble/expense.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 03-02-2017, 03:40 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 10,017
In the five years since Chris posted this I'm betting he either has gone hunting or forgot about it.
nachogrande likes this.
__________________
Still Learnin' as I go!

NRA Endowment Member
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 03-02-2017, 06:03 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: West coast central Florida
Posts: 3,641
Angry @#$%^< ^&&*< *&^%

Gotta read those darn post dates, I fell for it again.
Trent12 likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 03-03-2017, 07:00 AM
gunpa's Avatar
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Idaho
Posts: 748
By the way, this guy would NEVER recommend that you take up archery first! If it doesn't go BOOM I'm not interested. This is pretty much a gun forum
Trent12 likes this.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hand gun hunting? Zapzoo Handguns 29 12-07-2013 11:22 AM
12 issues (1 year) of Deer & Deer Hunting Magazine for $14.99 - save 73% off the cove ~kev~ Forum Sponsors & Merchants 0 10-12-2011 11:00 PM
t v hunting slim 60 General Discussion 37 09-20-2009 06:12 PM
Hunting Rights pdawg.shooter#1 General Discussion 0 09-02-2009 12:43 PM
hUNTING THE SOUTHWEST J.P. Southwest Hunting 19 05-13-2008 08:56 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:23 PM.

< Contact Us - Shooters Forum - Archive - Privacy Statement >

 
 

All Content & Design Copyright © 1999-2002 Beartooth Bullets, All Rights Reserved
Privacy Statement | Contact Webmaster
Website Design & Development By Exbabylon Internet Solutions
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1