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Hello from Scotland~

If you were going to use a big bore rifle as your "primary" Deer rifle out to 200 yards, and to fill your freezer........

What calibre ?

What Rifle ?

What bullet weight/load ?

What sighting system ?

What would be your choice ?

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Hello again.

For 200 yard shots on game (up to elk), there's 2 I'd use, both chambered in .308Winchester.

The Winchester Model 100 autoloader; Weaver K6 scope, standard sling. The bullet would be a 165 Sierra gameking BT.

This rifle/ammo combination work well together. OR
A Tikka hunter in .308 [lefty] with the same 165 bullet or the optional 180 Soft point.

The scope would be a Nikon Buckmaster 3x9 variable.
 

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m141a~

Would'nt call .308 a "BIG Bore" myself ! Medium Bore ?

I agree though excellant round which I already have topped with a 3-12 x52 groups 2" at 200 yards with Speer 150 gn SPBT over 42.5 gn of N140 seated to 2.794" (OAL for my magazine)

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no, you're correct to call it a medium bullet. I feel that at 200 it'll do the job very well.

My favorite is the Hornaday 165BTSP over 42gr. of IMR 4064. I load mine to the factory spec of 2.810

My only Big Bores are the .45colt in a Trapper gun and a Timber carbine .444, both from Winchester. I would not feel comfortable using the .45colt to 200 and as of yet, I have not fired the .444 that far. Thus the love affair with the .308...
 

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You own it. .444. Any of the Marlin models is fine by me, with a white bead front and a peep rear.
 

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I would use my Ruger #1 in 45/70.Scope is a Leupold varix III 1.75 x6x32.Load is a 300 grain jhp over 60.5 grains of reloader 7 powder.I use winchester brass trimmed to length and a CCI large rifle primer.
 

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"Big Bore" - hmmm.... how about a .458 Win Mag, with a Leupold VX-III 1.5x5 scope in Talley quick-detach rings? Any true Mauser 98 action.

Don't think that there is any question this would be considered a 'big bore!!"

More realistically, for a big thumper that has pretty good reach and not terribly painful to shoot, how about a .338 Win Mag?
 

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My Big Bore would be 45LC Trails End -but 200 yds is pushing it. Even with Buff Bore 325's it a stretch at 150 yds no problem plenty of energy but trajectory wise it gets to iffy past 150yds. Every thing would have to be purfect (No wind nothing inbetween me and deer) And how many times has that happened. I might change my mind on this when I get this gun scoped-waiting on mounts and rings!!!
Yds FPS Ft-Lbs Drop

0 1757.0 2227.8 -1.5
25 1668.2 2008.1 0.6
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100 1424.8 1464.9 2.0
125 1353.1 1321.2 0.4
150 1287.0 1195.3 -2.3
175 1226.7 1085.8 -6.4
200 1172.2 991.5 -11.9
225 1125.4 914.0 -18.9
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Englander,

With the 200 yard distance I would go with the .35 Whelen, either standard or Improved. My hunting friend has a .338-06 Improved that he likes very much but I prefer the .35 calibers!
For a scope a 1.5 X 5X is enough magnuification enough for me.
I normaly hunt at shorter distances in pretty thick brush, the .307, .356 and .444 satisfy my needs. For anything over 150 yards, the Whelen will do it all for me!
 

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Count me in on the .35 Whelen, too!

I'm with Slim. The .35 Whelen with a good 1.5-6x or 2-8x would be perfect for shots around 200 yards. A good 225 grn bullet is supposed to be deadly on deer at this range and beyond.
 

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Slim and Dutch, I could not agree more. Something 35, with more case capacity than the 35 rem. 358 Win is the current caliber du jour. 35 Whelen would be ideal, as the 356, or 350 Rem Mag.

Reckon a good piece of glass in 2-7x, would be about ideal, but you couldn;t fault a fellow for going to a 3-9 in a full sized rifle.
 

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I agree about the scope choice. I like the scopes that have the 1x and 2x power settings on the low end and max out between 6x and 8x on the high end. Most of the 3-9x scopes seem a bit big to me and add too much bulk to the rifle. Just my personal preference.

By the way, isn't .35 caliber considered a "medium bore" in most circles anyway?
 

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I 've seen the .35 classed as both a medium bore and a large bore. Down south pretty much anything over a .30 caliber is considerd a big bore.

If we are considering the .35 the start of the big bore class, my pick would be the .356 Winchester in the 94 Big Bore package. Sights would be a compact 4x or 6x fixed scope. With the Speer 180 grain bullet at 2654 fps the rifle could be sited 3" high at 100 yards and you could hold dead on out to about 250 yards.

The 35 Whelen could be nice but you can't get it in a lever gun. I like the 358 Winchester as well.

If you don't consider the .35 a big bore then the 1886 Winchester Extra Light with a 325 to 350 grain heavy 45/70 load and peep sights!

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RE: 35 Whelen in a levergun

Reb-

Too bad nobody makes one, although every time I pass a Winchester 1895 in .270 at a gun show I start dreaming about buying it and converting it to .35 Whelen; same with BLR's in 30-06 and .270. I wish some of these manufacturers would look at the .35 Whelen again, especially in the 1895 and BLR.
 

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Hi Folks, Did anybody think about a .405 Win. in a Mod 95. I don't know about a scope. You could mount one on the barrel with a scout style mount. And it will shoot 200 yrds. ok. I know I have one! I beleve that a 40 cal. with a 300 gr. bullet going at 2200 fps. is considered a big bore.

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Jack K, I like the .405 a lot, but the .444 is about the same w/o the hassles. Still, the 405 was an original "express" round long before anyone knew the .444 filled that role.

Beretta made a double gun based on their 20 guage shotgun action in .444 a couple of years ago that is my dream big bore.
 

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Thanks guys for your veiws, yes .35 cals are very appealing in any form, been looking at a second hand .356 in Win AE XTR but.........

Some good votes i see the .35 Whelen is doing better than the .338-06 or mag dispite those excellant BC's in .338 bullets. So many guys got all worked up about BC and bullet shape, when lets face it i chuck of lead that big going to HURT ! what ever shape !

Yes i own a .444 Marlin......... And she groups very well at 200 yard, she in bits at present still not got round to finnishing her stock, probably why i started this post miss my big bore !

I did not dare ask this question over on, you know where ! You know ? ".45-70.COM"..........................Sorry i ment to say Marlin Talk !;)


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A Scoped 3x9 40 MM Marlin 450 guidegun, using 350 Interlock bullet, using 50 gr H4198 max load, CCI mag primers,Hornady brass, Heavy crimp, 2280 fps at 150 yards 0.0 at 200 yards 6 inch drop, Still plenty good enough to make a Bull moose take a dirt nap:D
 

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Dutch,
While I would like a 35 Whelen in a lever gun, other than a BLR or the 95 Winchester I can't think of one that will handle the cartridge length. Unfourtunately I find both of those rifles downright ugly! The 358 Winchester will fit in the shorter lever actions and doesn't give up much to the 35 Whelen (the 356 Winchester only gives up a little more).

The 405 is a great cartridge but is again only found in the 95 action. The 45/70 is the best pick for most any american shooter over the 405, 450 Marlin and the 444. It is the most practical and versitile in both factory loads and handloads. Easier to find components and data for as well. That said I do not own one. It is just to much gun for whitetail down south. We do have bear and wild boar but it is too much for them as well.

My best friend's nephew borrowed his 45/70 Remington rolling block and killed a buck with it about two months ago. Talk about a lot of wasted meat. It was blood shot from the front of the offside sholder to past the end of the ribcage.

Englander,
Why hesitate on the 356? In a pinch you can make brass from .308 or .358 Win and load 9mm and 357 magnum pistol bullets as well as the usual .35 caliber rifle bullets. The high end velocity with the 180 grain bullet is about 2654 fps. This ability to digest lots of various components and still have plenty of power available is one of the big things that sold me on mine.

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My Marlin 336C in 30-30 Win shoots MOA at 100 yards and if still effective at 200, which all I NEED for deer.

Other rifles for my two boys and I are a 2005 Remington 700 SPS Stainless 30-06 and Remington 7400 semi-auto 30-06.
 
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