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I would like some help on a good all aroung accurate  real flat shooting hunting round for my 223 for Coyote and possibly Whitetail. I want a real tight group on paper as well,...1/4" @ 100 yrds.   That is,.. if I do my part.   I don't want much do I? But I am buying over the counter and have tried several cartridges and have not really settled on any of them. The best so far is a Hornady 40 grain V-Max Molly Coated cartridge.  I am looking to load my own,.. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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1/4" groups with an AR-15?  Might as well ask for the winning lottery ticket and a hot date with Heidi Klum while you're at it.  <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->  You don't go into any details on the rifle, but realize that a lot of AR15s are simply not capable of that level of accuracy.  Unless it's a match-grade unit built by somebody who REALLY knew what they were doing.  Rifling twist will to some extent dictate what shoots well with your AR.  If it has the mil-spec 1-7" twist, best accuracy will likely be with the heavier bullets.  Lighter stuff will probably do better with a 1-12" or 1-14".  Start with a really good die set, good brass, a good powder like Varget and some bullets like the V-Max or the little Sierras, and see what the rifle likes.  You should have a lot of fun finding out.
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Phil,

As a coyote rifle an accurized AR would do as good a job as just about any other .223, but as a sporting arm for deer please pass on the notion. Yes there are folks who do it, but there are also people you drink and play with matches. Neither is a smart idea and eventually both a drunk pyromaniac and .22 caliber deer hunter are going to get get burned. Do your quarry the decency of using at least a 6mm cartridge. Perhaps you should consider a .300 Whisper upper for your AR-15?
 

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Try:
1. Winchester prw.point 55gr./ 24.5gr of Varget. cci primers
 2. Hornaday 52gr. match/ 24.5gr of varget.

      both work well, about 3/8" at 100 from a bench rest from my Bushmaster 20" 1-9" twist.
     shoot the N.M. with the 52gr.  My scores are usually mid 400's.         hope those help    * critter's only,    NOT DEER!

(Edited by m141a at 4:22 pm on Feb. 4, 2002)
 

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There are a couple of reasonably tough .22 cal bullets, but, they are unlikely to deliver the match-grade accuracy that you are looking for.

Barnes has a solid-copper hollowpoint (the "X" bullet, not the "Barnes Burner") in several weights, Nosler now make a 60gr. Partition, you might be able to find some Trophy Bonded .22 bullets, and there's the original deer bullet for the .22 cals, the Winchester 64 gr. Power Point.  Some people would also recommend the Speer 70 gr. semi-spitzer or 63 gr. Sierra SMP.

You will notice a trend in this list toward heavier or really tough bullets.

As far as personal experience or reliable first-hand observation, a friend has shot several (small) wild hogs with the Winchester 64gr. PP from a .223 Model 7.  It holds together reasonably well at .223 velocities (18" barrel on this gun, not sure the exact MV).

I shot a deer a couple of weeks ago with a Barnes X out of my .22-250 (26 inch barrel).  It wasn't really all that definitive of a test because I shot it in the head.  Kill was instantaneous, of course.  Bullet did exit but I didn't really measure out the wound channel.

As far as shooting deer goes you'll have to decide if you can handle it.  We have small whitetails in TX, not many over 100lbs.  That is a far cry from a big northern whitetail, which could be 2 or 3 times as big.  We also mostly hunt from fixed blinds so it's pretty easy to ensure that you have a solid rest, etc.  Even a mild cartridge like the .257 Roberts is far ahead of any .223 loading for big-game hunting.

For coyotes I'd personally just use whichever 40 gr. plastic-tipped bullet shot the most accurately (Ballistic Tip, V-Max, Blitzking, etc.).

Have fun and good luck with your quest for the ultimate rifle.
 
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