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I just finished building a 280 Remington. In the past I loaded for a 7mm Rem Mag. I sold the 7 mag and have a ton of 7mm bullets left over. I am just gonna load some of them instead of buying more.

I have 200 120 grain Sierra Pro Hunter bullets and around 100 140 grain Nosler Ballistic tips.
I won't hunt with this gun very much but do plan on killing a few deer with it this season.

Do you think the 120 grain Sierras will perform well on whitetails? Or should I go with the 140 grain ballistic tips?

I shot a ton of deer with the 120 grains in the 7mm Rem mag. Generally they did not take a step. I just wondered if they will perform as well in the 280?

I had a lot of people say the 120 grain bullets are varmit bullets and I should not shoot deer with them. I never had issues. Just curious what the experts think.


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Between the two bullets you have, the 140 grain is - by far - the better of the two for deer. Jack O'Connor often wrote about using a 139 grain bullet for Mule deer with very good success. There is little doubt that the Nosler bullet is a better performer than those Jack had available when the 7x57mm was his rifle of choice. Properly placed, that 140 grain bullet will do the job very nicely.

OTOH, it's my opinion that the 120 grain bullet is not as good a choice but if you had good luck on deer with them in the 7mm Magnum, the 280 would too.
 

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The experts, in this case, would be Sierra. This is a quote from their website:

"The traditional, flat base design of the Pro-Hunter® has been skillfully blended with Sierra's world-famous accuracy. Our custom-tapered Pro-Hunter® jacket design helps assure maximum expansion, optimum weight retention and deep penetration for game-stopping, one-shot performance."

Politely explain to the people who claim the 7mm, 120gr Pro-Hunter is a varmint bullet, that Sierra labels such projectiles "Varminter", to avoid any confusion. Either one of the bullets you list above is going to be quite effective on deer, regardless of whether you fire them from a 7-30 Waters, 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08, 280 Remington or 7MM RM. Just shoot 'em where the meat ain't, especially with the BT's...they tend to make one heckuva mess.
 

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the only difference is that now they may be going a bit slower which will help them hold together better so i'd load 'em and go hunting!
 

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I like Sierra bullets, esp the PH's. They'll do the job but personally I'd limit their velocity to 2800-2900 fps or so. The 140's BT's will work great too. See what shoots better and use that.
 

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I have used the 140 Nosler Balistic Tip (Hunting/red tip) on 170 pound whitetail and 100 pound antelop from a 7m-08 at about 2800 FPS. Very accurate bullet but also very destructive in terminal performance. I had no performance issues with the 140 BT but found that I got equal accuracy with less colateral damage with Nostler Accubonds at the same speed.
 

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If you dropped a bunch of deer with the 120 grain bullets. I don't see
why you couldn't continue doing it. You know the Noslers are going to
work. The ballistic tip is bread and butter. They seem to work in all the
different calibers.

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if you decide to pass those 120's down theroad let me know. i have a savage striker in 7-08 that would love to have a relationship with them.
 

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The reason I asked is, I have been shooting 100 grain Bassistic tips for several years in my 25-06. Federal Premium. I have had penetration issues with the lighter bullet. The bullet is generally just under the skin on the other side between the meat and the hide. The deer generally just lay down but the few that did run was hard to track.

I think the Federal Premium load in 25-06 is pushing the bullet a little faster than I need to be shooting deer at 50-100 yards. I think they are designed to shoot deer or antelope at greater distances. So I am now handloading loading Hornady 100 grain inter locks at a slower speed. My thoughts are the slower bullet will not expand as rapidly and continue on thru the deer. That is my theory. Will know in a couple of months.

Now I did not know what to do with the 280. I like the performance of both bullets in a 7mm Rem mag but was wondering what to expect in the slower 280. I think I will load up some of both and see what shoots best.

When I loaded the 120 grains in the 7mm mag I rarely got complete pass thru shots. The expansion was rapid and the transfer of energy was tremendous. They just fell dead. No running, no tracking. Dead right there.

I just wondered if the performance of the lighter bullet would suffer if I slowed it down to 280 speeds. I think I got my answer.

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I would load them both in your 280 and see which shoots the best for you. For deer, either will work well. I have just bought some 120gr BT's for my 7mm Rem Mag, just for deer hunting. The 120's have the same length jacket as the 140, so they act a little tougher than what they should. I would think if your 7mm Rem worked well with the 120's, they will work just the same. It sounds like you got good bullet performance, other than the exit. That to me is important in thicker woods, but I am thinking at 280/7mm Rem speeds, you won't need to track very far. Plus, if you shoot them in ribs, you shouldn't lose much meat, if any! Good luck, let us know how the bullets shoot. Shouldn't be too long before you get to hunt with them! Scotty
 

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I've used the Nosler 140 BT's in my 280 for a long time, and had good success on deer. Never used the 120 Sierra, so I can't compare. I know the 140 BT's will work, though.
One thing I might point out to you. There may be less difference between the velocity of your old 7mm magnum and your 280 than you think. I've chronographed some 7mm magnum factory loads from various rifles that weren't going significantly faster than factory 280 loads.
 

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I have several thousand rounds logged thru a couple different .280's accounting for just over 80 deer in this caliber. from 120's to 162 gr bullets I have not found one that did not dispatch a deer quickly. Right now the one rifle digests 140gr Nosler BT's and the other 154gr Hornady SP. I have found that when I am using the 162gr Hornady or the 160gr speer grand slam that it takes a little more effort to get that group. I've never had a issue getting 140 - 150 gr bullets to group in either .280.

p.s you won't be giving up much speed at all in the handloads, none that you'll be able to tell.

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i used some 120gr bt's in my 7/08 pistol on a couple deer... won't do that again! one deer was shot in the back of the neck, he was facing away, bedded at around 180yds and he was blodshot clear down thru the backstraps... the other was a ribcage shot at about 60 yards nice pass thru behind the shoulders... both shoulders lost to bloodshot. i was very dissapointed to say the least. i'm gonna use 120gr ttsx's this year!
 

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The experts, in this case, would be Sierra. This is a quote from their website:

"The traditional, flat base design of the Pro-Hunter® has been skillfully blended with Sierra's world-famous accuracy. Our custom-tapered Pro-Hunter® jacket design helps assure maximum expansion, optimum weight retention and deep penetration for game-stopping, one-shot performance."

Politely explain to the people who claim the 7mm, 120gr Pro-Hunter is a varmint bullet, that Sierra labels such projectiles "Varminter", to avoid any confusion. Either one of the bullets you list above is going to be quite effective on deer, regardless of whether you fire them from a 7-30 Waters, 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08, 280 Remington or 7MM RM. Just shoot 'em where the meat ain't, especially with the BT's...they tend to make one heckuva mess.

The vast majority of Sierra's Pro Hunters fit that description, however two specific bullets are actually Varmint bullets. The first that I am familiar with is the .257" 90 grain HPBT version, the other that I have not shot is the .284" 120 grain version.

One thing is for certain though, the biggest whitetail I've ever seen dropped in his tracks with a .22-250, and the next year I watched one walk away from a .300 Win Mag like nothing even happened (bullet passed through the neck missing every vital artery and bone). Bullets and cartridges don't matter much, put that bullet right in the CNS or engine room and you will have venison. If the 120s have worked for you in the past, keep using them, as you have confidence in them, one less thing to worry about. I've harvested a lot of deer with my .25/06s and 115 grain ballistic tips and 110 grain Accubonds. I like both bullets and wouldn't hesistate to shoot an Elk with either bullet.
 

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This thread is useful. I found a place today with Savage Edge's on sale for $261. I am planning on getting one for my girl friend and boys in 7-08. I was thinking either PH 120s or Hot Cor 130s would make good moderate recoil loads. I would likely load them at starting or slightly higher velocities. I assume reading the above that if the 120 Pro Hunters are adequate at .280 velocities, they would be fine out of a 7-08.
 

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It depends what you prefer

I have been shooting 139 and 154 grain Spire Points and IMR4350 in my .280s for years and never had a problem. All the best...
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Now I did not know what to do with the 280. I like the performance of both bullets in a 7mm Rem mag but was wondering what to expect in the slower 280. I think I will load up some of both and see what shoots best.

When I loaded the 120 grains in the 7mm mag I rarely got complete pass thru shots. The expansion was rapid and the transfer of energy was tremendous. They just fell dead. No running, no tracking. Dead right there.

I just wondered if the performance of the lighter bullet would suffer if I slowed it down to 280 speeds. I think I got my answer.
As much as I like the PH, it's not a tough bullet. Both the 120 Hornady and 120 Nosler BT are a tougher bullet. I'd imagine it was very explosive in your 7 RM and probably outside it's design parameters, which is why you had such quick kills with few pass throughs. It'll do just fine in your 280.
 

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The vast majority of Sierra's Pro Hunters fit that description, however two specific bullets are actually Varmint bullets. The first that I am familiar with is the .257" 90 grain HPBT version, the other that I have not shot is the .284" 120 grain version.
Matt,the 90 grn HPBT is a Gameking. Those are actually tougher then the SP Gamekings. I have some of the 160s for my 280 and they shoot great, I just haven't shot anything with them yet. I don't think any of the Pro Hunters are varmint bullets, they are hunting bullets, though as I posted above, I don't believe they are overly tough and in the 7 RM performed like a tough varmint bullet at it's speeds.

This thread is useful. I found a place today with Savage Edge's on sale for $261. I am planning on getting one for my girl friend and boys in 7-08. I was thinking either PH 120s or Hot Cor 130s would make good moderate recoil loads. I would likely load them at starting or slightly higher velocities. I assume reading the above that if the 120 Pro Hunters are adequate at .280 velocities, they would be fine out of a 7-08.
When I first loaded the 130s, we shot a lot of deer with excellent results. Years later when I got a chrony, I found their velocity was only around 2750-2800 fps. Deer don't need blazing bullet speeds for excellent terminal results in C & C bullets. I'd imagine the 120s are very similar to the 130's we used, but they possibly could have a thinner jacket, I don't know a call to Sierra would clarify that. But I think it'd work very well in a reduced down to 24-2500 fps or so and be an excellent deer load in your 7-08 with very little recoil.
 

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Too many names! :D Oh well, that Gameking is a Varmint bullet, its right in Sierra's manual.
 
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