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Hello All,

I found this forum while searching online for answers to the following question. I liked what I saw here. I did not find the answers I was looking for, so I am asking now. Thank you in advance for any responses.

I am reloading 30-30 rounds for hunting white tail in the NY State area for both my Marlin 336c and Mossberg 464. I started reloading when I got my Rossi 92 this past July. Was my first lever gun. Now, I have about 5! Reloading .38spc and .357 mag is easy compared to rifle rounds! I enjoy reloading. I find it fun and relaxing, but there is ALOT to learn. So Here is my question:

I bought 2 different bullet types, Sierra 150 gr flat nosed jacketed projectiles and also the Hornady 150gr SST projectiles. The problem is with the Hornady. I noticed that the bullet once set into the case at the cannelure is longer than the Over All Length of what a 30-30 should be (by about .015-20). I know we aren't to use pointy rounds in a lever action, but the tips are plastic, NOT copper or lead and it's only for hunting. I loaded a round (no powder or primer) as a test round, I put the round into the chamber direct, and it went into battery just fine. Slid right in nice and smooth. No problems. BUT, the problem occurred when I went the eject the round. It WOULD NOT. Too long. Both rifles had the SAME issue.

The tip of the bullet gets caught up and the round will NOT eject. I have to pop the rear of the round out of the extractor with a flat nose to get it to come loose.

Obviously if the round is fired, this is NOT an issue, but it's a safety issue not to be able to eject a live round! The reason I wanted to try these SST bullets is cause I have heard they are great for deer hunting. I am NOT opposed to other rounds. Like I said, I have the Sierra 150gr Hunter rounds too. These are flat tipped so there are NO problem.

Is there a way to salvage this? Or so I have a box of 100 projectiles that I need to either hand feed 1 at a time into my 336c and MAKE SURE I SHOOT or give away?

Any Advice from you pros out there?

Thanks again,
Bill
 

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PanzerBill,
You REALLY need to go out and buy yourself several reloading manuals. Ignore ANY data untill you have read everything else twice; all of this is discussed.

Seat the SST deeper in the case, problem solved!
You are not required to seat at the cannelure, you won't lose a birthday if you don't.

Seriously though, seat the bullet deeper, it's fine.
 
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In addition to the above excellent advice - Hornady also makes a "MonoFlexTip" bullet especially for tubular magazines. I would strongly encourage you to use this in lieu of the SST bullet. The monoflex is 140 grain and specifically made for the 30-30 rifles. Read the manuals or their website for correct seating and crimping of these bullets.
 

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Thanks Darker. I have been reading up and asking questions of my buddy who has been loading for years. You have any reading material that you can recommend? Thanks again for taking the time.
 

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In addition to the above excellent advice - Hornady also makes a "MonoFlexTip" bullet especially for tubular magazines. I would strongly encourage you to use this in lieu of the SST bullet. The monoflex is 140 grain and specifically made for the 30-30 rifles. Read the manuals or their website for correct seating and crimping of these bullets.
Something about hard sharp point, even if plastic, on the next primer doesn't bring me comfort. I would agree with this, or if you really want the SST, load one in the chamber, and only one in the magazine.

I've no experience with the SST in 30-30 but a lot of .308" bullets are designed to impact at much higher than 30-30 velocity, which can have a major effect on it's terminal performance.
 

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Well, my experience with the 150 grain SST is that it will expand if you drop it. I quit using them due to poor terminal performance in a .308 rifle. They worked fairly well in a .308 pistol, and were nice and accurate as Garand fodder at the range.

The .30-30 has numerous bullets designed especially for it that have excellent terminal performance. If you want a spitzer-type bullet, you may want to try the FTX line, and I am not so sure that it is just a plug-n-play change either. It's possible the neck may have to be shortened due to the shape of the bullet.

The .30-30 is somewhat of a "specialist" round in that it's intended use involves fairly short ranges and a pretty predictable velocity window, and the bullets are designed towards that end.

Lever rifles also tend to have more of a specific cartridge length requirement for feeding through the action than a bolt rifle does.
 

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The best part about reloading, is we can tailor our ammunition to the specific firearm it will be fired from, thus improving accuracy and function.

Seat them so that they will fit and feed properly.

BTW, unless a pointy bullet is designed specifically for a tubular magazine, it isn't advisable to use them in one. It only takes one time of having every round in the tube simultaneously detonate to ruin your day, gun, and possibly your life!

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I handload the 160gr FTX bullet (the one made for the 30/30) and it is designed to do exactly what you want, without any problems ejecting a loaded round.

When it comes to reloading, if you don't KNOW what you're doing, don't do it! The SST it not a good choice for the 30/30, for more than one reason.
 
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Guys, thank you for all your advise.

As I said, I also have Sierra Pro-Hunter bullets for the 30-30 that are flat nosed. I will make a SST rounds, and feed them individually and see how they function. But at this point from what you all said, perhaps I will self the box after I do my initial testing.

Again, I had seen some footage with people using SST bullets on .308 and 30-06 rounds with devastating effect, BUT, I always listen to "the guys". In the few forums I belong too, I can see there is a lot of knowledge.

Thanks again, and Ill be in touch.
 

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In addition to the above excellent advice - Hornady also makes a "MonoFlexTip" bullet especially for tubular magazines. I would strongly encourage you to use this in lieu of the SST bullet. The monoflex is 140 grain and specifically made for the 30-30 rifles. Read the manuals or their website for correct seating and crimping of these bullets.
Nice recommendation. I found this info at Hornady. Looks good. But It's only 140gr. I will look into this a bit more, but looks good. Thanks again.
 

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Welcome to the forum.i started loading about the same time you did.did the same with buying levers to.
I bought a win 94 chambered in30-30 for my nephew last year , now i have a 357 rossie , 375 win94 , 25-20 win 92 and i have a 7-30 waters win 94 coming.44 mag is on the wish list. you want to use pointy bullets in a lever you can seat them deaper and just have one in the mag , that way you can use any bullets.
Personaly i would not trust plastic against a primer .
If you wanted to see if plastic tip will dint a primer you can seat a primer in an empty case , soak it in water over night to deactivate it then use a projectile as a punch to see if it will indent the primer!
Just hold the projectile , plastic tip on the deactivated primer and wack with a hammer.
Alternatively you can grind the plastic tips flat and go shoot things.
What are you using in your 38 and 357 , i'm taking it that is the rossie .
Ive gone through two boxes of 125 grn hard cast lead ,round nose and flat nose , i used 3.5 grns of trail boss behind most of them as plinkers.
I got given a box of lead hollow back wad cutters , they will be my next plinkers .
For the 30-30 i got some 150 revalution rubber tips and 110 grn flat nose hollow points but the110 grn hollow points were pretty much the only ones my cbc 32-20 single shot would group so they got shot through that .
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Hi Shreck.

Yeah, I started with my Rossi 92 in 38/357. FUN gun, but needed some serious elbow grease to clean it up and smooth it out. Then, got the Mosberg 464 SPX (30-30). Then, bought my kids a Henry Youth .22, but it's mine till they are old enough, FUN GUN, especially with CBs! Then I bought a Marlin 336c AND a Marlin 1894 (.44mag). I am LOVING the lever gun.

I load 158gr Hornady XTP and Sierra 158gr Jacketed Flat Nose rounds into it. I have shot 110gr rounds, 133 and 135gr rounds that I have purchased at the store, and then reload the cases with the 158gr. I use IMR 4227 powder. So far the rounds hit hard, accurate and reliable, but obviously the 158gr are slower.

Haven't hand loaded anything for the 30-30 yet, but am in process now. Once I test the rounds, I will report back.

I bought the Marlin 1894 and took it home to clean, before shooting it. I found while cleaning it some nasty mark int eh barrel. I was unable to remove it, so back it went to the store I bought it from and they in turn sent it back to Marlin. LOVELY. Other than that...
 

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I know you already have the SST bullets, but there are several bullets from the major manufacturers that are "devastating" on deer. The reason bullet makers designate some .308 bullets as for "30-30" is that they 'open up' at 30-30 velocities....something like 1800-2200fps IMPACT velocity, meaning 2050 to 22-2300fps muzzle velocity. The SST is designed for impact velocity of 2300(about) to maybe 2700fps impact velocity. I have been reloading for close to 15yrs. now, am still a doofus, and officially am now a novice. I ask lots of questions, some kinda dumb, but I'm making something that blows up...right by my FACE!!! So be careful, ask these guys lot's of questions...and have fun!! Oh yeah, Lyman's 49th Manual really good, the Lee manual good. It is a really cool moment when you get a small grouping...and then translate it to putting that bullet right where ya want it into a nice deer, and then those backstraps on the grill.....
 

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Welcome PanzerBill! I have an idea about those SST's---You now have an excuse to buy a new rifle, say, a 308, or a 30-06, -or......Anyhow, you truly NEED to salvage those bullets somehow! Single loaded, the SST's should be OK, or chamber loaded ahead of the more (safe) conventional 150-170 round or flat noses! I don't have any experience with the new flex-tip's, but they sound good. Different subject: Where in the hello did you find CB caps???? CB's and 22 WMR I cannot find anywhere!
 

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I would not use the sst in a 30-30 lever for the above reasons and for the distances the 30-30 was designed to shoot at they are not needed. A round or flat tip is quite good enough for white tail and 150gr bullets in rounds like WinX and CoreLokt have dropped literally millions of whitetails with no problem.
 

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Thanks Darker. I have been reading up and asking questions of my buddy who has been loading for years. You have any reading material that you can recommend? Thanks again for taking the time.
As someone posted, Lee & Lyman are very good resources. But I don't think any full manual is a bad resource. Stay away from the spiral bound compressed books. Typically say something to the effect of All things______(insert cartridge here), or 30,000 loads for___X.
Not much info in those.
 

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Thank you.

Thanks for all the help guys, MUCH Appreciated.

As I said, I will bench the SSTs, maybe as Bong Son Buck, for my next rifle! HA.

I ordered the FTX, and will keep on using the 150gr flat nosed. Thanks again everyone.

Panzer Bill.
 

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Why Reload the 3030?

I used to reload my 3030 ammo because, well just because. I quit completely after trying the Hornady Lever-Evolution. Their 160g Goes further, faster and as accurate than anything I could do. Turned my 150 yard rifle into a 300 yard rifle. I have some 3030 dies and lots of old non LeverEvolution ammo just sitting around now. The only thing I use it for is fire forming 375 Winchester nowadays.
 

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Well, my experience with the 150 grain SST is that it will expand if you drop it. I quit using them due to poor terminal performance in a .308 rifle. They worked fairly well in a .308 pistol, and were nice and accurate as Garand fodder at the range.

The .30-30 has numerous bullets designed especially for it that have excellent terminal performance. If you want a spitzer-type bullet, you may want to try the FTX line, and I am not so sure that it is just a plug-n-play change either. It's possible the neck may have to be shortened due to the shape of the bullet.

The .30-30 is somewhat of a "specialist" round in that it's intended use involves fairly short ranges and a pretty predictable velocity window, and the bullets are designed towards that end.

Lever rifles also tend to have more of a specific cartridge length requirement for feeding through the action than a bolt rifle does.
The Hornady #30395 FTX 160 gr bullet is especially made for the .30-30. That is the only bullet that I use to reload my .30-30's and I love the performance. The reload is straight forward, no case modification or anything. I use this in a Henry H009 and have never had a issue with it.
 

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I used to reload my 3030 ammo because, well just because. I quit completely after trying the Hornady Lever-Evolution. Their 160g Goes further, faster and as accurate than anything I could do. Turned my 150 yard rifle into a 300 yard rifle. I have some 3030 dies and lots of old non LeverEvolution ammo just sitting around now. The only thing I use it for is fire forming 375 Winchester nowadays.
You can reload with the FTX 160 gr and get very good results instead of paying full cost. Hornady even has the "recipe" in their reload manual.
 
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