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If you was going to use a 30-30 for Blackbear which over the counter load would you use? I'm thinking 150grn softpoints? Maybe a 170 would be better?
 

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Shoot either load, or the load that shoots most accurate in your rifle.

This has been discussed many times, please use the search feature.
 

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Drawdown,

Both work no worries, nephews have stacked up a pile of bears with a old marlin 30-30 lever action of mine with a 1.5 power scope on it.

If everyone used the search feature there would be hardly any new posts. pretty boring.

shoot straight and shoot often.
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If you was going to use a 30-30 for Blackbear which over the counter load would you use? I'm thinking 150grn softpoints? Maybe a 170 would be better?
Which ever round is the most accurate and retain the most ftlbs at the range you intend to shoot the bear at. Depending on what components you use, if you calculate it out, the 150 gr sp can retain more energy at 100 yds than the 170 sp due to speed. But, using over the counter, its not about what you like, its what your rifle likes.

The search function is a good resource but may contain old information.

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This has been discussed many times, please use the search feature.
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The search function is a good resource but may contain old information.adk59

Sorry fellows, you're both Great Americans but are mistaken. The Search Function is a liability at best and it IS NOT "a good resource". Try it and see. You might get one good return for every search....maybe. I typed "30-30 for black bear" and got a load of junk with possibly one article of any relevance. I say possibly because I did not go to the link. After so many failed attempts, I no longer need to prove the disfunctionality of the search feature to myself. I also did not try search variations (i.e. 30-30, black bear, 30-30 for bear, etc.) because, again...... I don;t need to disprove the disfunctionality over and over again.

Sorry to be so harsh on this little animal, but I've mentioned it at least 3 times to 2 different moderators. All caution forum members to run a search first, but no improvements are ever made to the search function. I point it out because forum members should not be asked to use it...yet. Again, without improvement, the search function is a waste of time.

No. The PROPER way to search is to:
1. Start a new thread;
2. Scroll to the bottom and see the "Similar Threads" link;
3. Go to those links for the information you need;
4. Come back to the thread you started and post an apology about starting a thread on an issue that has been "beat to death";
5. Ask moderators to delete thread. Done.

The search function needs work. Lots of it. The similar threads link works just fine. Although, after posting this I don;t even see the "Similar Threads" link down below!!
 

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I have not hunted bear yet. All of our quota here is filled already this year, so I can;t even get an over-the-counter tag. Maybe next year. If a 30-30 was all I have, I would have no problems hunting black bear with it. And....I would prefer a 170gr handload.
 

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I;ve never compared the two bullets as to penetration, but judging from the noses, the Winchester Power Point would get my nod over the Remington 170's tip. The Remington's tip has a bigger exposed portion of lead, theoretically making it expand quicker, thereby lessening the penetration. Not sure about Federal's offering here.
 

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If you want off the shelf ammo for the 30-30 Federal offers the 170grn Partition.
 

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Well I've never Bear hunted or even thought much about it, but my buddy's farm has several on it right now. I've got an old Marlin 336 and already have some Win Powerpoint 170's. Shots would certainly be less than 100yds and probably less than 50yds. Season is in Dec:confused:
 

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A cartridge that would kill a deer would kill a black bear if hit in the right place.
Average black bears are about the same size of the average human.
The 30-30 should be adequate for black bear hunting.
 

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Thanks for pointing out that the "similar threads" function is not working. I'll ask the programmers about it.
 

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OP.

Do you reload?
If you do, I'd personally go with the Beartooth Bullet 160gr FP.
I've used them on critters, and hit like thor's hammer. Granted, I've not the chance to use them on bear, but imagine the results would be the same. Hard cast, is always a game getter.

My 94 top eject will NOT shoot ANY 150 grain bullets accurately. I've tried them all, factory or loaded by hand. The 170 gives me minute of buck accuracy, as does the above mentioned 160.

Best thing you could do is buy several brands, and several weights, and see which groups best.
 

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If you was going to use a 30-30 for Blackbear which over the counter load would you use? I'm thinking 150grn softpoints? Maybe a 170 would be better?


I use the 170's in my 30/30
 

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Back in the day when I hunted with hounds my partner carried nothing but a 30-30 with 170 gr winchester or remington factory loads. Up close with a bear treed it didn't matter which load he had. The only one I shot with my 30-30 I used a speer 150 gr. After that I switched and started loading 170 gr rem corelockts. IMO id stick with the heavier bullet.
 

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I've never had a bear complain about Hornady 170 FPs at about 2150 MV. Pigs, neither.

Beaucoup deer have fallen to that load.
 

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My grandmother took a black bear in the late '30s. But darned if I know whether she used the 150gr or 170gr factory load.

The 170 gr should be preferred unless it exhibits atrocious accuracy. This is based on both the Hornady HITS methodology and on penetration considerations.

There are reasons this cartridge and the carbine associated with it has been so popular for medium game hunting all these years. On target effectiveness is one of them.
 

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The few blackies I've shot fell to either the Federal blue-box 170 or the Winchester 170 PowerPoint.

I would use whatever load shoots best in my rifle. I have found the Leverevolution 160 nearly as accurate in my Marlin as the 150 Speer FP over Reloder 15. I'd use that one in a heartbeat.
 
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