Zap you might want to do a search on this subject. It's been discussed here a bunch over the years.

 

If I had a 30-30 I would not scrape it for a 35 but if I was buying and choosing between two it would be a 35 if I hunted in heavy cover and might hunt a elk or like with it too. Not that a 30-30 will not take a elk reliably with good shoot placement but that the bigger diameter and heavier bullet it is a better game stopper and makes a bigger "hole" before bullet even opens up.

 

Killed a bunch of stuff with Marshall's cast bullets in my .35 Rem.

It works really, really, really well. Much more so than you would expect. Couldn't recommend one highly enough.

 

MikeG

I'm interested in your choice of bullets, any standouts that you can share?

Have you loaded pistol bullets in your .35?

I have a .35 in TX for whenever I get back there and I would like to find a cast load that works well.

I tend to like heavy for caliber slower moving bullets, but I also try to find out what the gun likes...

thanks,
Grizz

 

The latest issue of Precision Shooting magazine (just got it last night) has a good article on the 35 Remington, and inevitably compares it to the 30-30. That article backs up what most discussions here conclude: the 35 Remington is capable of being a much harder hitting cartridge than the 30-30, especially when handloaded to it's potential.

 

Please guys,

Use the search feature.

 

Sorry guys I have used the search function and found the threds pleas lock the thred so at to not annoy anybody else. I completley forgot about it.

 

I've used .357" hollow point 158gr pills in my 35 Remington with interesting results. 38gr of Re7 over a Win Large Rifle primer gave about 2,400 fps. This is per the Speer reloading manual.

Given that these bullets are intended to expand at about 1,000 fps, they really come apart at rifle velocity. Not something to use for game, other than varmints, of course, but entertaining on water jugs and small trees. I used this load to trim a tree top in the valley below my parents house; two shots completely severed a 6" dia. branch. (Shooting was done down into a very small valley, not up in the air.)

 

I'm a huge fan of 30-30 carbine for hunting mulies in the forests and foothills. This dandy buck was taken with Glenfield 30-30. But when it comes to elk for the freezer I invariably chose my .308 from the rack. That being said, I have taken two elk with my son's Marlin 35 and plain Remington core-lockt ammo. He has toppled 3 young bulls and a cow with this same outfit.

I've said it before and will say it agin: 35 Remington kills large animals far better than published tables of numbers would suggest.

75 years ago, Warren Page recommended the 35 for moose and caribou to Canadian hunters. An intelligent modern hunter should ask himself if these animals evolved since then with armor-plating. I think not.

Good hunting to you.
TR

 

I have had both and I find that the deer don't seem to have a preference for either caliber. They both will drop deer. I would go with the 30-30 simply because I can always find 30-30 ammo and useally it is cheap. This being said, I reload and have much 30-30 brass. Bought out an old hardware store of all their 30-30 for $5.00 a box. They had over 23 boxes of various brands.

 

A slightly wider, heavier bullet in the .35, with approximately the same velocity as the .30-30. Better? Well, arguably yes, but the practical difference is hard to see. Probably for heavier critters I'd favor the .35. For deer, there's scarcely a nickle's worth of difference.

 

I've used both the 30-30 and 35 Rem. for deer. Both of my 30-30s like 170 grain Speers and the 35 likes either the 200 PSPCL and 220 Speer. Neither shoots well with the new rubber tipped Hornadys. Overall I'd say I'm most impressed with the 200 gr. Rem. PSPCL. Rarely have deer take more than a few steps with a well placed bullet. That can't be said for my 30-30s.

My 35 loads follow the work done with the 35 Rem. over at Marlinowners. Near MAX doses (Hodgdon data) of H4895 pushing the 200 Rem. or the 220 Speer to about 2400 and 2100 fps respectively.

I don't know much about loading light for caliber bullets in the 35 Rem, but I've tried a few half jacket .357 Speers in 158 grain. Groups were poor using light charges of Unique and WST that were much better at grouping cast bullets including Speer 158 gr. SWCs and some old round nose Shur-X 180s. I've tried faster loads with those cast bullets using RL7 and 4227, but can't get either much past 1700 fps without leading.

Mike G - The BT 180 +P sounds interesting. How do you load it? Any thoughts on how it might work on game?

 

As much Varget as I can get in the case. Some people find it's a little slow, but I'm using fairly thin Remington brass, and carefully swirling the powder into the case, and compressing about half the length of the neck. That's yielding about 2300fps at the muzzle. I forget what other people are using, check Ranch Dog's posts as is going with a slightly faster powder and a very similar bullet.

It works nothing but great and has just flattened both deer and hogs. The farthest anything went was 8 steps, with blood pouring out of both sides

 

Why would anyone be annoyed by a thread that's been discussed before? It's fun to re-ignite some of these old debates...especially with new components available. If you aren't interested, just don't click on it. It's that easy!

 

Ratltrap

Did you mean to say 2400 fps with H4895 and 200 gr corlokts? What length barrel are you getting that velocity from. I have stuffed just about as much H4895 that I could fit in the 35 rem case and I got real close to 2300 fps (one shot actually went over) but thats it, but that is from a 20" barrel.

 

Ratltrap

Did you mean to say 2400 fps with H4895 and 200 gr corlokts? What length barrel are you getting that velocity from. I have stuffed just about as much H4895 that I could fit in the 35 rem case and I got real close to 2300 fps (one shot actually went over) but thats it, but that is from a 20" barrel.

Must be a typo. I've chrony'd loads with 39.0 grains of H4895 and got around 2200 fps give or take in a Marlin 336. Hodgdon data lists 38.5 grains as max with the Hornady 200 grainer.

 

jb - It's been a while since I worked up that fast 35 Rem. load so I reviewed my range log to see if my memory was right and how the load was put together. Assuming that my cheap Chrony was functional that particular day, the 7 shot H4895 string averaged 2356 fps. Not quite 2400 fps but still very fast. Those loads were shot from a 24" 336A using compressed charges with a heavy crimp from a LEE crimp die. Remington brass - CCI 200 primer.

My hunting load uses a full case of H4895 but isn't compressed. To tell the truth I don't know what velocity it shoots, but plenty fast to make the Coreloct work on deer.

 

the 30-30 cartidge is:
more available
more loadings
advanced loads available
cheaper..........

So in summary, I say; choose the 35Rem
Its my choice for no more logical reason than it just does!

"How exactly is a Rainbow Made.....Just how exactly does the posi-trac of a '59 Buick work...It just does!"
Joe Dirt

 

Rat

I figured that was from a 24" barrel but there arent alot of 336As out there that I see data from.

 

What's your charge weight with H4895? I looked up my data and my 3 shot averate with 39.0 grains was 2151 fps with a 20" barrel. You're getting 200 fps more with 4" barrel length? I normally don't see that kind of gains with a fairly small case capacity and large bore size (seems most are with more overbore calibers as compared to case capacity).

 

My regular load in my 1951 SC, 20" barrel, is 40.5 H4895 with the 200 gr cor-lokt. Averages 2200 fps. These loads work fine in my rifle with no pressure signs of any kind. I partial resize my brass so the bolt just closes easily on an empty case. Crimp with the Lee factory crimp die.

 

As has been posted before, paper performance doesn't always equate to the real world, and although I think everyone needs a 30-30 in the collection (well, I'm not really a gun "collector", more like a gun gatherer) IME the 35 just does the job better and the animals I've shot have gone down quicker.

 

I took a cape buff with my .35 pre crossbolt safety using factory 200gr.
The paper it was printed on penetrated quite nicely...
All kidding aside mine does like the 200gr corelokts get good groups at 100 yds with the old girl.

 

A CAPE BUFFALO!!! ******************* Wow I dont know if thats crazy or cool or both.

 

I have killed deer with both a 30-30 and a 35, and there is no comparison. The 35 hand loaded to 2224 ft/sec with a 200 grain Remington corlok is a much better deer rifle. I have never had a deer run after being shot with the 35. I have the rifle sighted in at 135 yards and shoot everything straight on out to 150 yards. I like to hunt thickets and the 35 maybe the prefect 150 yard deer rifle.

 

"I'm interested in your choice of bullets, any standouts that you can share?"

For jacketed bullets, there is only one; The Remington 200 RNCL. It was made for that cartridge and, in many respects, it made the cartridge!

Others shoot as accurately but none I've seen expand as reliably at .35 speeds. I do use Hornady 200 RN if I get caught short, it does shoot well and is a killer too but it was made for the speeds of a .358 or .350/.35 Whelen and does NOT expand as well at reduced speeds as I would like. That sorta means the deer will run a few more yards for a similar hit than with the Remington pill.

Never tried pistol bullets but suspect they would be too far the other way, likely to rupture too fast. And never tried cast in mine either so....?

 

"I'm interested in your choice of bullets, any standouts that you can share?"

For jacketed bullets, there is only one; The Remington 200 RNCL. It was made for that cartridge and, in many respects, it made the cartridge!

Indeed, the Core-loct always performs well, both penetrating and expanding. I've never recovered one as they've all been pass throughs, dropping the game almost immediately.

Others shoot as accurately but none I've seen expand as reliably at .35 speeds. I do use Hornady 200 RN if I get caught short, it does shoot well and is a killer too but it was made for the speeds of a .358 or .350/.35 Whelen and does NOT expand as well at reduced speeds as I would like. That sorta means the deer will run a few more yards for a similar hit than with the Remington pill.

Never tried pistol bullets but suspect they would be too far the other way, likely to rupture too fast. And never tried cast in mine either so....?

I think if you chose a bonded core pistol bullet and loaded it a little less than factory velocity you'd have a decent deer getter, if accuracy isn't affected. Hard cast bullets perform very well, just ask some of the folks who reload the .35, and using a 180-190 gr. bullet you can drive it faster.

 

I have used 35 Remingtons load of 40.5gr H4895 and the 200gr CLRN for 7 years now and it rocks. LVR will match it in my 336D 18.5" barrel but not better it. Lvr will do it with less pressure. In 20" or longer barrels LVR is the new go to powder or when using the 220gr Speer .

The 35rem and 200gr CLRN has taken thousends of eastern moose, black bears and deer so I am not sure if the 220gr is ever realy needed. Rather a 200gr Speer would have been a better bullet for Speer to have come out with. Maybe they will make a 200gr Deep Curl for the 35 rem some day.

Good news is remington says they are still in the component bussines just realy busy making milatary stuff. So bulk 200gr CLRN's will some time show back up at midway.

 

That's good to know, because I've had a hard time finding either the Sierra or Remington 200gr RN. The only one I can find is Hornady, and this particular bullet is the only Hornady bullet I really DON'T like. I've temporarily switched to the 180gr Speer.

 

Hey did you ever try any cast bullets?

 

Not in the 35, Mike. I've shot tons of them in 30 caliber.

Do you get any expansion from the Beartooth bullets? Do you need any, I guess would also be a good question. How far away do you shoot critters with yours?