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A friend of my older brother had a Ruger blackhawk chambered in 30 carbine that I shot a few times as a teenager, good inexpensive ammunition was impossible to find, there was military surplus around but it was poor quality. When I was old enough to buy a handgun I bought a blackhawk in 357, ammunition in 38 special was everywhere and empty cases were laying on the ground at every range and impromptu shooting spot! I got to shoot my gun alot more than my brothers friend.
 

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What do you think got us hooked to begin with?!?馃榿
 

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I've never lived in Wyoming but have always lived in neighboring states, don't know if it's still the same but when I was a teenager you could buy everything short of sticks of dynamite at 4th of july fireworks stands and I did....... Eventually I got tired of blowing things up and turned my attention to exploding rockets, the big ones. I bought a few not many years back, the do-gooders take a dim view of them so I've curtailed it the last few years. Mortars are fun as well.
 

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Between my junior and senior year in high school during the summer I worked on a blast crew setting charges. We used Hercules dynamite in dry holes and a product called Tovex that looked like sausage and had a silver grease looking gel inside for wet holes. I primed them by stabbing a 1/4 hole in the end, put in the blasting cap and tied a half hitch around the body with the wires before dropping down the 14' holes, covering with ammonia nitrate and crushed aggregate. They they all had to be wired together which was tedious and worst part of the job. The Hercules dynamite sticks were huge as compared to what's seen on tv. We did 3-400 every morning then shot them around noon, the blasts were spectacular. Heavy equipment removed the overburden in the afternoon and the drills worked all night to start the process over again.
The first day of instruction the blastmaster set off a primer and a stick to show how destructive they were, it left an impression, I had no thoughts of sneaking either home to play with!
I figured once I'd primed over 1000 sticks of dynamite and Tovex combined that summer without incident in spite of thunderstorms nearly every afternoon.
 

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Is this too much recoil? Asking for a friend.

If I would have had to 'snap' the action closed that hard three times before it locked up, I think I would have taken that as a 'sign' that maybe 'someone' is telling me I should not pull the trigger! And, he ended by saying it was a light load, which I believe, BTW! Some things simply define the word 'Ridiculous', and 'fun at all costs'!
 

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I love seeing new products coming to the market but two extra shots in a 13rd magazine, 1" more penetration and 13ft lbs more energy than a 9mm, really?

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Current issue of American Rifleman Magazine has a giant Puff Piece article on this Super Carry. Nowhere did it say if this round requires a locked breech pistol. I then followed online links to a site which says it does. This is a stain on the NRA鈥檚 publications. They did say pressures are equivalent to the 327 Magnum revolver rounds. I would like a comparison with the old Pederson designed 32 French Long, which evolved from the WWI Pederson Device made for our M 1903 Spgfd. Rifles, with a machined cut in the left side of their receivers. Somebody should make a 7.65mm French Long adaption, to shoot roll crimped lead bullets, like the 327 Mag.鈥檚! John Pederson is a hard act to follow in auto pistol designs.
 

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Looks like it is mainly an attempt to make a 32 that holds more rounds than a same-size 9 mm and outperforms a 380 ACP while approaching the performance of the 9 mm. The results suggest it accomplishes that. It operates at a higher pressure than the 9 mm, so it's not like they are getting something for nothing. It's got some similarities to 327 Federal in that regard. But the momentum is still only 60% that of Federal's 45 Auto HST loads. No stopping power formula I am aware of predicts stopping effects well for all chamberings, but when two loads have the same muzzle energy but different momentum (e.g., 45 v. 9 mm military ball), then, IMHO, the bigger momentum provides an edge. In this case, it appears to be a large edge.

How that greater momentum is realized in the HST ammunition may be seen if you multiply the area of the expanded bullet by its penetration depth to produce damage volume. To be fair, I will point out I am not subtracting the gaps between the expanded petals here, as Federal does not do in trying to copy the FBI test procedure; I am assuming similar proportions, though. When you do that, the 45 HST has about 2.5 times the area of the new 30 Super Carry, and they both penetrate gelatin 15.5". This means the 45 produces about 2.5 times more damaged tissue volume than the 30 Carry.

So, while it's an interesting concept, since it appears I would need 5 hits with the 30 Super Carry to produce about the same tissue damage as is produced by two hits with the 45, I am sticking with the 45 for now.
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Stepping off into the deep end of the pool? Folks can have a 'collage' degree, be a math whiz and throw the numbers out there. Prove them on paper. All they want too? Seeing is believing, being there is what counts and it don't count if ya don't make it.

Sure lots of folks have taken/culled elephants with the lowly 6.5 and 7mm in Africa. How many of them elephants were charging at them? I have no use for 'paper tiger' ballistics. What is known to work, works.

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No stopping power formula I am aware of predicts stopping effects well for all chamberings, but when two loads have the same muzzle energy but different momentum (e.g., 45 v. 9 mm military ball), then, IMHO, the bigger momentum provides an edge. In this case, it appears to be a large edge.

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The second consideration in the elusive "stopping power" formula is, in my opinion, bore area. A 200 gr. projectile can be launched at 850 f/s with reasonable ease from a .357 Mag., a 40 S&W, and a .45 ACP. I would expect the likelihood of stopping a determined attacker with one shot to the upper torso to increase in the same order listed.
 

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The true potential of this cartridge has not been realized. By chambering existing 9mm handguns in this cartridge, the conversation is all about magazine capacity. However, this cartridge could be the basis of a much smaller form factor. An LCP-sized pocket gun, but with a double-stack magazine. I've been wishing for a cartridge/pistol combination like this for a long time.
 
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