hey guys Rem`s .300 ultra mag? are they any more value than what we already have?Anyone knocked anything of size if so how was the performance bearing in mind that we have had many great .300`s preceding this calibre.Dont know of too many here in Australia.gryphon
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All these Ultra Mags, Lazzaroni Mags, etc. remind me of an old street racing friend. He had the fastest quarter-miler in Western PA bar none, a 1970 Buick GSX.
Almost from the time he bought the car he was never beaten in a race. Always No. 1 in speed. Yet he was never satisfied. He always put more into the engine, transmission, etc. Always more power, quicker shifting, etc. Yet he was already faster than anyone else.
See my meaning? If you want one, fine. It will help keep Remington in business. But does it kill quicker or shoot flatter in any realistic sense, I sincerely doubt it.
Almost from the time he bought the car he was never beaten in a race. Always No. 1 in speed. Yet he was never satisfied. He always put more into the engine, transmission, etc. Always more power, quicker shifting, etc. Yet he was already faster than anyone else.
See my meaning? If you want one, fine. It will help keep Remington in business. But does it kill quicker or shoot flatter in any realistic sense, I sincerely doubt it.
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Gryphon,
I'll echo Mr. Lester's point!
I've been shooting a .30-06 Ackley for years, it will equal a .300 Winchester Mag's factory ballistics in all ways. Haven't found that in a .30 Caliber any more is needed.
Here we go again, more and more and more, but is it really more? Once a 400-450 yard range threshold is crossed, the human error factor far exceeds any ballistic advantage from any of these fire-breathing loudenboomers! Shot placement is everything, and under field conditions with unknown yardage, cross winds, yes, even thermal rises will affect your shot placement more than any supposed advantage using the new super-extreme whizbang magnum of the day!
Food for thought and for ethical hunting!
God Bless,
Marshall
I'll echo Mr. Lester's point!
I've been shooting a .30-06 Ackley for years, it will equal a .300 Winchester Mag's factory ballistics in all ways. Haven't found that in a .30 Caliber any more is needed.
Here we go again, more and more and more, but is it really more? Once a 400-450 yard range threshold is crossed, the human error factor far exceeds any ballistic advantage from any of these fire-breathing loudenboomers! Shot placement is everything, and under field conditions with unknown yardage, cross winds, yes, even thermal rises will affect your shot placement more than any supposed advantage using the new super-extreme whizbang magnum of the day!
Food for thought and for ethical hunting!
God Bless,
Marshall
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Personally I find the 300WSM and short action Rem UM to be more interesting. You get a useful amount of power in a shorter action. I'm not that big a guy and short actions feel better to me. If I were to replace my .308 with something with more oomph, I would probably pick the 300 WSM. Normally I hunt with .308 or 30-06 and have tried a few other calibers, but I always found the power of the rifle adequate within my comfort range. What limited the range of my shots was me; that is, my ability to hold steady under field conditions. ID
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Well feller's, just my opinion, but I think that a really fast cartridge is useful for two reasons, to shoot a light bullet a long way, or to shoot a real heavy bullet very deep.
to the 300, I can;t imagine shooting something so far away that the 300 ballistics would be of a benefit. As for penetration, reckon something a little bigger caliber wise suits me better, although i do like noslers' 220 grain partition in the 30 caliber, but i shoot it in a naught 6.
My 2 cents, i will also mention that i don;t shoot anything that re-arranges my bridgework anymore, since i parted with my 375 hammer & hammer. and I doubt very seriously i'll buy myself one.
Good hunting Gryphon, kill a great big one.
Steve
to the 300, I can;t imagine shooting something so far away that the 300 ballistics would be of a benefit. As for penetration, reckon something a little bigger caliber wise suits me better, although i do like noslers' 220 grain partition in the 30 caliber, but i shoot it in a naught 6.
My 2 cents, i will also mention that i don;t shoot anything that re-arranges my bridgework anymore, since i parted with my 375 hammer & hammer. and I doubt very seriously i'll buy myself one.
Good hunting Gryphon, kill a great big one.
Steve
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Gryphon
I may be a bit cynical, but why dont you get a BMG50 caliber and be done with it? If you cant kill it with a 30-06 you aren't going to kill it at all. With these wooper dooper magnums ,I think the gun makers are playing on peoples egoes more than what is necerally to get a good hunting rifle. Of course there is my one friend who gets his elk every year using a 30-30 w/24 -inch barrel who says to me "if you cant kill them with good 30-30...."
tbc
I may be a bit cynical, but why dont you get a BMG50 caliber and be done with it? If you cant kill it with a 30-06 you aren't going to kill it at all. With these wooper dooper magnums ,I think the gun makers are playing on peoples egoes more than what is necerally to get a good hunting rifle. Of course there is my one friend who gets his elk every year using a 30-30 w/24 -inch barrel who says to me "if you cant kill them with good 30-30...."
tbc
I do most of my hunting with a bolt action 30-30 and also have a .303. If I can't do the job with what I have I will work on my hunting, that is what is important to me. The rifle manufacturers do not get rich off me but I am glad that there are people out there that keep them in business.
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As an aside, the big 50 (.50 BMG) can be a lot of fun on varmits / pests, as long as you don't plan on eating them. I've seen both javelinas and wild hogs that have been hit.... pretty much looks like they swallowed a grenade. Lotsa fun....
Sniping game or hunting it?
Depends on what you want to do and the skills (bench rest or stalking) you want to develop.
Personally, If I was in a wheelchair and couldn't stalk or still hunt without a road, I'd consider one of the new magnum.
IMHO, big game hunting has come to a level of expense and time requirements that people are scared to "take a chance" on missing the fantasy B&C record "shot of a lifetime." So, they buy more than enough gun, encouraged of course by the magazines.
"While cleaning his glasses, Walter Schlubwhippet, accountant at Home Depot, was knocked down by a record B&C blacktail chased by a pack of cast-away suburban dogs. Collecting himself, Walter tried to knock off the semi-feral dogs with his .300 Magnawanger and 24 power scope. However, at 600 yards a bullet hit the deer at the end of the tail and exited the nose of the running animal. "The performance of the cartridge was all I expected; the 12" wound channel ran the entire length of the animal. We were mighty pleased with the delicious 12lbs of meat yielded by the 290lb animal." Walter was truly ready for any event with his very capable magnum....
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Depends on what you want to do and the skills (bench rest or stalking) you want to develop.
Personally, If I was in a wheelchair and couldn't stalk or still hunt without a road, I'd consider one of the new magnum.
IMHO, big game hunting has come to a level of expense and time requirements that people are scared to "take a chance" on missing the fantasy B&C record "shot of a lifetime." So, they buy more than enough gun, encouraged of course by the magazines.
"While cleaning his glasses, Walter Schlubwhippet, accountant at Home Depot, was knocked down by a record B&C blacktail chased by a pack of cast-away suburban dogs. Collecting himself, Walter tried to knock off the semi-feral dogs with his .300 Magnawanger and 24 power scope. However, at 600 yards a bullet hit the deer at the end of the tail and exited the nose of the running animal. "The performance of the cartridge was all I expected; the 12" wound channel ran the entire length of the animal. We were mighty pleased with the delicious 12lbs of meat yielded by the 290lb animal." Walter was truly ready for any event with his very capable magnum....
Hey, it could happen to you. Get the .300RUM. <!--emo&
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I agree with Marshall. Not sure what it is we need these days, I don't always subscribe to the more is better philosphy. I use a 7x57 Mauser in Ruger No. 1 RSI for Dall Sheep, Mountain Goats, Deer and Caribou. The hunt is the thing for me. Sure if you make a 400 yard shot, that's some pretty good shooting, but I'd rather stalk or still hunt within 250 - 300 yards and make it interesting.
However, if you like the 7Mags, 300 Mags or any Weatherby Mags, I don't see why you would not want one of the new Ultra Mags. Why not? The very reason we use magnum cartridges is squeeze every last living drop of velocity out of a caliber, right? The only difference between a 30-06 and a 300 Mag is velocity. If you like the magnums (I use a 338 for Moose and big bears) why not try a higher velocity round? I have a personal feud with Remington, which is between them and I, but would not try to persuade someone else from using one if they like it. Like the "Life" cereal commercial says, Try it, you might like it. Or something like that. If you like the older magnums, no reason you wouldn't like the newer ones. Just more of the same thing.
However, if you like the 7Mags, 300 Mags or any Weatherby Mags, I don't see why you would not want one of the new Ultra Mags. Why not? The very reason we use magnum cartridges is squeeze every last living drop of velocity out of a caliber, right? The only difference between a 30-06 and a 300 Mag is velocity. If you like the magnums (I use a 338 for Moose and big bears) why not try a higher velocity round? I have a personal feud with Remington, which is between them and I, but would not try to persuade someone else from using one if they like it. Like the "Life" cereal commercial says, Try it, you might like it. Or something like that. If you like the older magnums, no reason you wouldn't like the newer ones. Just more of the same thing.
Ya know I've never found a use for a thirty bore. I've not found anything that the 30 calibers do that some other caliber doesn't just as well and most likely better. The smaller calibers will do the job faster and more accurately, and the larger bores have more energy and thump. The thirty calibers are like the horse developed by a commitee, also known as a camel.
The closest to thirty caliber that I own are two 8mms, one my father picked up on the front steps of the Cathedral in Cologne, Germany. The second is a beautifully sporterized military BRNO that is waiting to become something else. I realise that these two rifles are actually 32 caliber.
The cases that Remington developed for this new cartridge have me interested, not as 30s but as 40+ caliber cast bullet cartridges.
Jim
The closest to thirty caliber that I own are two 8mms, one my father picked up on the front steps of the Cathedral in Cologne, Germany. The second is a beautifully sporterized military BRNO that is waiting to become something else. I realise that these two rifles are actually 32 caliber.
The cases that Remington developed for this new cartridge have me interested, not as 30s but as 40+ caliber cast bullet cartridges.
Jim
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" sniping game or hunting it?"
sir, I have serious doubts that you KNOW what a sniper's job is.
I was going to ignore this conversation till that one came up.
I have hunted with a .300 Win Mag since SAKO Finnbears sold new for $195.00. Yes I have made some dumb shots, it's called being young & lacking experience, I am no longer young, still trying for experience. Suffice to say that of all the ruined meat I've seen from .300's was due to improper bullet i.e. too light, I've seen far more made by poorly placed shots made by the " my thuddythuddy ( or audsix,twosevendy,etc.) is all you need bunch.
I agree, in the thick woods back east 75 yds is probably clear in the next county, I have serious doubts that mr. sniper hater can stalk good enough to get within 250 yds in the western sage brush ( since stalking is a major part of sniping he wouldn't want to do that) to get his close shot.
I've shot em from less than 30 to nearly 500, also made some long ones to help mr. doan need nuthin but my ......... take down an escaping wounded animal that didn't know it had been shot by a master hunter with an infallible cartridge.
OH yeah, & the horrible belt- been around since 1912 or so- as far as I am concerned this so called horrible device falls into the same catagory as the singleaction\double action set up with pistols. works fine if you learn how to use it. but lets face it, it is way easier to ridicule something we don't like or have the skills to use than to work at learning about it isn't it!
By the way I also own 2 -30\06's, 2 -.308's, & a
38\55, just to mention a few, funny thing is they all have their strengths & weaknesses, just like people.
sir, I have serious doubts that you KNOW what a sniper's job is.
I was going to ignore this conversation till that one came up.
I have hunted with a .300 Win Mag since SAKO Finnbears sold new for $195.00. Yes I have made some dumb shots, it's called being young & lacking experience, I am no longer young, still trying for experience. Suffice to say that of all the ruined meat I've seen from .300's was due to improper bullet i.e. too light, I've seen far more made by poorly placed shots made by the " my thuddythuddy ( or audsix,twosevendy,etc.) is all you need bunch.
I agree, in the thick woods back east 75 yds is probably clear in the next county, I have serious doubts that mr. sniper hater can stalk good enough to get within 250 yds in the western sage brush ( since stalking is a major part of sniping he wouldn't want to do that) to get his close shot.
I've shot em from less than 30 to nearly 500, also made some long ones to help mr. doan need nuthin but my ......... take down an escaping wounded animal that didn't know it had been shot by a master hunter with an infallible cartridge.
OH yeah, & the horrible belt- been around since 1912 or so- as far as I am concerned this so called horrible device falls into the same catagory as the singleaction\double action set up with pistols. works fine if you learn how to use it. but lets face it, it is way easier to ridicule something we don't like or have the skills to use than to work at learning about it isn't it!
By the way I also own 2 -30\06's, 2 -.308's, & a
38\55, just to mention a few, funny thing is they all have their strengths & weaknesses, just like people.
I was talking to one of the Remington factory reps when the 300UM was first introduced and couldn't help but ask why they just didn't use a case 8 inches long that carried a full pound of H1000 and be done with it. I've sold a very few here at the shop and in each case I wound up shipping the gun off to Magna-Port to make it usable. I don't believe the average Joe Deerhunter can hit anything with this caliber considering the level of recoil. If I routinely hunted the wide open spaces, I'd likely consider it but a long shot for me is 100 yards.
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