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Found some Remington 195gr 303 Savages.Guy that i bought them from said to back them up with 33.0grs of IMR 3031 for 2100fps out of my 26in barreled Savage.
Does anybody load for the 195gr in the 303Sav?If so what velocities are you getting?And if your not using IMR 3031 what powder are you using?I also use IMR 4064,besides IMR 3031.But have heard RI-15 and H335 also work well.
I already handload for the 303Sav with 150gr,170gr and 180gr.So my interest is in the 195grs.Thanks Enforcer
 

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Enforcer,
A belated welcome to the Beartooth Forum.

I did some checking through my reference library and found reloading data for 190 gr. bullets in the .303 Savage but nothing for the 195 gr. bullets that you have. I do have about 15 or so .303 Savage rounds in my cartridge collection, and 2 of them do contain 195 gr. bullets so I am glad that I do have some examples of that variation.

The 1939 Shooters Bible shows Remington & Peters ammunition loaded with the 195 gr. bullet. The factory velocity is shown at 2,035 f.p.s. The 1940 Shooters Bible shows a velocity of 1,960 f.p.s. for the same ammunition. Winchester & Western loaded 190 gr. bullets, also at a published velocity of 1,960 f.p.s. Unfortunately, no barrel lengths were referenced.

The first loading that I found in my reference material for the 190 gr. bullet in the .303 Savage was in a DuPont Powder manual entitled "Better Loads For Better Shooting with DuPont Improved Military Rifle Powders. It is dated August, 1936 and was published one year after IMR 3031 was introduced, replacing DuPont's old 17 1/2.

For the 190 gr. bullet in the .303 Savage this manual references the following loads with 3031 in a 26" barrel:
30.0 grs. - 1,840 f.p.s.
33.5 grs. - 2,090 f.p.s.

A 1953 Lyman / Ideal Handbook shows similar loads with 3031:
30.0 grs. - 1,840 f.p.s.
33.0 grs. - 2,040 f.p.s.

An early 1960's Lyman manual shows a reduced maximum load of 31.0 grs. /3031 for 1,980 f.p.s. It also shows 33.0 / 4895 as maximum generating 2,005 f.p.s. and 32.0 grs. /4064 maximum giving 2,025 f.p.s. no barrel lengths are shown with the data.

Obviously, different component lots & different firearms had an affect on the results, given over time.

Unfortunately, I do not own a .303 Savage 99, but I have fired 200 gr. cast bullets using IMR 4064 in my 1894-1994 Winchester Centennial .30-30 rifle's 26" barrel.

30 grs./ 4064 pushed the 200 gr. N.E.I. bullet to 2,051 f.p.s.
with fine accuracy and no signs of pressures out of the ordinary.

Have fun shooting those 195 gr. .303 vintage bullets.

John Kort

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aka Jack Christian SASS 11993 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13
 

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John,thanks for info.I will put it all to good use.I have two 303 Savages and 15 Savage M99s all together.Savage M99s:

M1899H 22 Hi-Power
M99T 22 Hi-Power
M99A 358Win
M99RS 358Win
M99EG 270 Ackley Improved Savage
M99R 416-284 McPherson
M99F(1) 303 Savage
M1899B 303 Savage
M99EG 250 Savage
M99C 284Win
M99DL 284
M99A 375Win
M1899CD 32/40Win
M99C 22/250
M99F(2) 300 Savage

I love my Savages and have had probably over a 100 in my life.Thanks Again
 

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Enforcer,

I know you really like the Savage 99 rifle but I had no idea that you have owned over 100 of them! Wow! You sure have some current ones in some neat calibers.

Should your .30/40 Win. be .30-30 Win.? I remember reading somewhere that Arthur Savage had made a prototype(s) in .30/40 for testing by the U.S. Military back in the early 1890's.

There is a very good article in the 2003 Gun Digest about Arthur Savage and his company by author Jim Foral .

Just curious. Where do you live in PA. I'm in the northwestern portion in Erie

John

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aka Jack Christian SASS 11993 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13
 

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32/40 win

Just a type O.Should be 32/40.Which was made from 1903-1915 in Savages,and came in no less than 5 different Savage 99s.
I'm in the Wilkes Barre area.But I'm moving to Mexico in about 1 month.
I've sold over 30 Savage M99s in last 6 months alone.I got remarried.My wife just had our baby girl a month ago and am moving(tough to get guns across border).So some guns had to go.Good luck and good shooting!
 

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Let us know what we can do to help!! I'm only 3-4 hours north of the border (Texas), and would be glad to give a loving home to any m99's that you wanted to stay near...... of course I'd take them out for 'exercise' from time to time!
 

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Enforcer,

Congratulations on the birth of you new baby daughter!
Just curious. Why Mexico? Will you be returning to PA at some point?

John
 

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Mexico

John Kort said:
Enforcer,

Congratulations on the birth of you new baby daughter!
Just curious. Why Mexico? Will you be returning to PA at some point?

John
Well dollar is 12 to 1($100.00 American is $1200.00 in Mexico).Weather is nice year round.I speak Spanish well and plenty of criminals to chase.

No i will not return to Pa.If I'm to come back to U.S. it will be to Ocean City MD or West Palm Beach,FL.
 

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Enforcer,

Best wishes for a safe trip and a prosperous future.
Stay in touch.

John
 
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