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What are the specs of the 307 Winchester? Many have said that it was a potentially great cartridge that didn't get a fair shake...any truth to this? Winchester chambered it in the Winchester model 94, but it has been discontinued. How does it compare to the 308 and 30-06?

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It's a rimmed .308 case with a couple less grains of capacity.   Pretty similar performance (actually about 30-40 Krag equivalent).   A true "does-it-all cartridge."  

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Hi, Timberwolf:
 Here's Winchester's current specs:
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Thanks Jack. The site you forwarded is very helpful. Seems the .307 Winchester IS a cartridge that didn't get a fair shake. Wonder why? Is it that the .308 already had a monopoly on the market? Is it because only one or two types of ammo were offered? Why do good cartridges die? Wow!

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Winchester shot themselves in the foot on the .307 and .356 (figuratively speaking). They billed them as "woods" cartridges, and basically undersold both cartridges. Calling anything a "woods" cartridge in the U.S. is marketing suicide, people automatically think of a load that falls to the ground after about 100 yards. These were (in my opinion), the two best lever-action cartridges in history.
 

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If I remember correctly, The Winchester was designated an "XTR" in both 307 and 356. Both meaning "extra range". The 356 at least was billed in the Marlin as the 336 "ER" version for "extra range". This also indicates the attempt to push leverguns into the bolt gun category with longer range, flatter shooting cartridges.

In my opinion, it was all in the timing of introduction and the fact that in the case of the 307, the 30/30 was simply far more entrenched and well known by current levergun users. Bolt guns ruled the day. Some purists also did not like the new "angle eject" rifle either which was introduced around that time. Leverguns were not in vogue (early to mid 80's) and Winchester was extremely quick with discontinuance of these models when they didn't sell well as they are with everything. Marlin discontinued their 356 levergun also.

I'd be willing to bet that if they were reintroduced at this point in time, they would sell quite well indeed. We are at the height of lever action mania now. Fifteen years ago the companies were having a hard time selling a levergun at any price.

You had Winchester being sold and in financial difficulties.

Even Marlin's 444 lanquished for many years after it was introduced and really only in recent years has taken off in popularity. I remember when I bought mine in 1981. My friends thought I was crazy for "wasting" the money. All &#36180 bucks for a spanking new one.

FWIW, Ray

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"If I remember correctly, The Winchester was designated an "XTR" in both 307 and 356. Both meaning "extra range"."

Ray, er... Contender, The 30/30 was also available in the "XTR" trim too. I believe all XTR boiled down to was a longer barrel.
 

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Being a big fan af these rounds and the .375 Win, I feel I have to warn you guys...don't talk about these "improved" rounds here!  There are a few people here who are QUITE certain these cartridges are NO improvement over the .30-30,.35 Rem. etc and they will let youknow it!!  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
 

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I have the pre-AE XTR in .375 and a regular .30-30 AE model. I thought the XTR was simply a "nicer" finish. It has much nicer bluing, nicer wood with a higher gloss finish and checkering. I always thought XTR just denoted a fancier gun - not necessarily a "long Range" gun. Mine has a 20" barrel.
 

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I humbly stand corrected on the XTR designation. Thanks PB. Seem to have gotten that confused with the "ER" version of the Marlin rifle in these rounds.

Anyway, history is replete with many good cartridges that shouldn't have died but did. It's all in the timing and demand of them.

With the current high demand of leverguns at this time, I maintain that the 307 and 356 would do quite well.

Heck, I love the 35 Rem and the 30/30 AI and shoot both in a Contender pistol.

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Ray, I thought it stood for the "eXTRa money" that Winchester was trying to separate from your wallet....

Just a little humor.... I don't have any idea what it stand for.
 

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Well, it appears that we're going to find out about the .307. I just traded for a new, unfired, Bigbore in .307. Just what I needed...more chalenges!!!
 

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Bob, I would really appreciate a post from you as soon as you fire that new .307. Tell us about the accuracy, recoil...all the goodies!

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Pourboy,
You are in for a treat!  My favorite deer gun (and black bear) is a .307 Win 94 AE, XTR in .307 winchester.  I mostly shoot the 150 grain load which is just about the same performance category as the .300 Savage.  

Mine sports a T/C 1.5-5x scope and I get just over an inch at 100 yards but I know the gun can do better than that.  I can't.  The XTR does mean the finish is nicer and it really is.  I wouldn't hesitate to use it for moose if I ever draw a tag.  

Definitely my favorite rifle.  I know someone who has one for sale for a good deal. If anyone is interested email me and I'll put you in touch.  

Recoil, by the way, is just a little heavier than a 30-30 but effective range is much better.    
 

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I have both the .356 and the .307 in model 94's. I should say I used to have the .356, I gave it to my Grandson and we both love these cartridges. Winchester seems to always discontinue cartridges to quickly.  Good Shooting!
 
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