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Which 338 would.you guys prefer? I've already made up my mind m70 ultimate shadow because I deal the m70 is solid american gun the abolt deals like a ak47 quality even tho is more $$. Plus I seen a abolt explode on a guy in. Bear hunting video I know that can happen to anny gun but I think the m70 is longer lasting gun. Plus after seeing a xbolt which has the same bolt shroud shape as the rem 710 lmao.

Any ways any m70 pushfeed & claw feed fans here ?

As far as the 338 winchester magnum. How does it perform withing 50-250 yards compared to a 30-06 and 375 hh? Also 200 gr vs 225 gr? Ttsx vs sst vs accubond what.the best tipped bullet. Me personally was looking at doubletaps 160 gr ttsx @ 3300 fps from a 24" barrel. Is it safe to say with similar weight bullets the 338 with a 26" barrel can compete with the power of say the 30-378 with the ranges I said above? I was looking at the wsm and rums and I like the ammunition you can get for the 338 . Heck I wouldnlove.to shoot a hog or deer with the 300 gr woodleigh sp. I forgot to mention I like.the ultimate shadow because.it.forend looks short so.it makes the already long barrel look longer. My.uncle has a pushfeed supershadow in 7mm wsm good shooting rifle
 

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I like the M70 as well, as far as ammo I would go with the TTSX, E-Tip, Interbond, Accubond over the SST for sure, they all will hold together better. Barnes has a new 210gr TTSX they load, Winchester loads the 200gr E-Tip and Grizzly ammunition loads the 210gr Swift Scirocco to a MV of 3100fps that sounds pretty sweet. It's performance with the right load would be a flat shooting gun that could really reach out much more than the 30-06 can, and with some of these monlithic bullets you can really increase the MV and flatten it's trajectory even though they might be a little lighter in weight but with virtually retaining all of their weight would perform very well on a wide range of game. Best of luck
 

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Why would you ask this question if you're mind is already made up??? Also, you may want to check up on FN Herstal's relationship with Winchester, may change your perspective on just how American they are.
 

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Well brownings made in japan or we're. But the m70 been in production for awhile im sure at some point it was american made or designed. I do like my bps over the 870 tho.
 

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A few facts, first. FN Herstal (Liege, Belgium) owns both Browning and Winchester. From the FN website: "Browning, who commercializes the Browning and Winchester trademarks...".

Browning A-bolt is made in Miroku, Japan. Winchester Mod 70 is made in North Carolina.

The bolt shroud, whether on an A-bolt or an X-bolt or Rem 710 is a cosmetic feature. The X-bolt shroud is definitely smaller than the A-bolt shroud; a plus. I don't have a Rem 710, so I don't know how it compares.

The Win Mod 70 Shadow is not CRF, or at least it hasn't been in years past. My neighbor has one and it is a great rifle. I have a 70's Win mod 70 XTR (pushfeed) and it is a great rifle. I have a few CRF Win mod 70's, and all have been excellent.

Beyond this, my A-bolt stainless stalker in 338 WM was my primary choice for elk over the last 20 years or so, and it was there for my only moose, and two caribou, and several deer. I'm moving to a 30-06 (Win mod 70 classic) due to declining recoil tolerance.

Your question of 'How does it perform within 50-250 yards compared to a 30-06 and 375 hh?' I don't know, what are you hunting? What is your measure of performance? Velocity? Trajectory? Muzzle energy?

As for bullet weight in the 338, some believe that the 'super bullets' (like the TSX and like) make sectional density irrelevant. I'm not a believer. SD is still a factor in my mind. If wanting to shoot 160 gr bullets, I'd pick a 280 Rem or 7mm Rm. I cannot understand the thought process of someone that would pick a 338 WM and then choose incredibly-poor SD 160 gr bullets to use in it.
 

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Aren't all the new m70s crf? I know there's the.push feed super shadow.but I think the.new ultimate shadow.is crf. As far as sectional density don't know never been to sniper school but read on.muzzle loading forums where they laugh at it when.using roundballs ... but

What I think the 160 would be.good for deer and hogs and use the 200-300 gr loads for bear etc or aperently we.have black cougars in south Ga.or so.every.one.thinks. . I do like how the abolt comes in left hand which im am but I've learned to shoot a right bolt with using a bipod.

Also when I was comparing 30-06,338,375

If you put.your cross hair on x vital and hit x vital within those ranges with a quality bullet. What is the.difference on what happens afterwards?
 

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338 is sufficient for anything in North America - thus ends the comparison to the .375 H&H or Ruger

375 delivers more on target - and on-shoulder. But, the 338 is more than ample. For things smaller than elk, the 160/180/200 grain bullets work well - my sons and I like the 180 Accubond for deer even though it isn't quite as accurate as the 250 grain slugs. For everything else, 250gr Partition is our choice just on general principles ( the principle that we've never lost any animal shot with a Partiton bullet, in any caliber, while we can't exactly say that about any other bullet ).

The M70 classic is our favorite 338 with the Tikka T3 Lite a close second. I wasn't too fond of the only A-Bolt I tried ( 30-06 ) back when, but I hear that they've improved since then.
 

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I believe the new model 70's are CRF. I would personally go with a ruger m77, but thats not really the point... Browning A-bolts are really nice rifles, certainly nothing to scoff at. You would likely be ahead to just stick with some 250 grain partitions, one load to do it all. Not sure what your asking though, i dont think anyone is going to make fun of a browning A-bolt because of the bolt shroud....
 

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The ultimate shadow is CRF. Doesn't look like the regular shadow is even offered anymore from the Win website; I misread your post tk.

If I was looking to use the 338 WM on deer or hogs, I would be looking to heavy bullets, not light bullets. Especially on deer, meat damage will be much less if your shot is a bit off, and the heavies will kill just fine if in the boiler house. Hogs...I have no experience, but if wanting to kill them, the 160 will probably do that in dramatic fashion out of the 338 WM, but if wanting to eat anything near the kill shot, 225 gr or more. My opinion.
 

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Also I wonder if the long action.is the same.they use for the 375 safari? Id like to have a it oneday rebarreled to 300 h&h.
 

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I must disagree with your assement of the Browning A bolt. Mine was orginally a 300 ultra mag that i rebarreled to a 8mm Remington Magnum. Short bolt throw, tang safety and a magizine that i prefer. It may be made in Japan but they arent a trillion dollars in debt and climbing.
 

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If you want a REAL American gun get a Ruger Hawkeye. It is also a crf rifle and my all weather model will put 5 225 accubonds just under an inch at 100. That load , using R-19 is also doing 2900+ fps and is not a max load--but close enough! That load will handle anything in North America and the s.d. and b.c. are high enough for longer range shooting than lighter standard bullets. Buy real American!:)
 

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Ruger, you couldn't give me those other two. Well, you could, but I'd just trade it.

The .338 Win Mag is my round of choice. It shoots as flat as a .30-06 in some cases flatter, and hits almost as hard as the H&H. Bullets can be had in weights from 160 to 300 grains. The 225gr Accubond is definetly my favorite out of the bullets I've tried.
 
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