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yesterday, i took my win m94 out to get sighted in for saturday. this is what i got.

https://www.shootersforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=97105&stc=1&d=1574974358

i haven't shot for around 1 1/2 months, thats why no. 1 is so off(2 shots for each, 3 shots for no. 5). i settled down and i shot no. 2. a few adjustments(going the wrong way!!!) later, then i shot no. 3. another adjustment, no. 4. another adjustment puts me dead on, no. 5.

the red diamond is around 3". you see 2 shots(which are on) and the one is either i pulled it or something else(me) did. but i won't mind a 1 1/4" group(outside to outside).

yes, i know, "you didn't shoot 10 shots. so you don't know the average group is." all i can say is so what. deer don't seem to mind, or rather they do!!!! soda cans, homemade steel targets, concrete blocks don't seem to mind too. i shot the dicken's out of her. heehee!!!!!


as you may already know, i had a win m94 (1973 version) in 30-30. i killed just about everything that walks, crawls and flies that is in PA. it was a good gun, but the old 30-30 just didn't do it fer me. as i got older, the win m94 goes back in my safe and it didn't reappear for about 25+/- years. now i got a rifle in 30-30 that i don't use.......JES Reboring to the rescue!!!!! he did a GREAT job on my old m94. if you ever have to rebore, see JES!!!!!! my hats off to JES!!!!!!

now i have a 35/30-30(or 35/30) and it shoots GREAT!!!! i use a 200gr fn gc(rcbs .360", lyman #2) with 20gr of 2400/dacron that goes 1726fps. recoil is next to none, i shot about 60-70 rounds in my t shirt and i didn't flinch.(people may know that i use wimp loads, i don't find that recoil bothers me, but why do it?)

i luv this rifle, i should've had the 35/30 years ago!!!!!
 

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Everything I read about this cartridge is good. It should've been a factory cartridge.
 

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/... i use a 200gr fn gc(rcbs .360", lyman #2) with 20gr of 2400/dacron that goes 1726fps. recoil is next to none, i shot about 60-70 rounds in my t shirt and i didn't flinch.
That's interesting. I get around 1750 fps in my Model 94 in .38-55 using a 243 gr bullet.


Everything I read about this cartridge is good. It should've been a factory cartridge.
Well...the .35-30 was really intended as a cheap fix for shot out .30-30 and .32 Winchester Special rifles and carbines, boring either of them out to .358". And that largely went away with nickel steel barrels and smokeless powder.

It never made much sense as a production cartridge as Winchester had the .30-30 as well as the the .32 Winchester launching a 170 gr bullet at about 2280 fps and a a 150 gr bullet at about 2400 fps. There was also the competition in the form of the 35 Remington launching a 200 gr bullet at about 2075 fps, a 180 gr bullet at 2125, or a 150 gr bullet at about 2300 fps (which is back in .30-30 territory).

Winchester also had the .38-55 which launched a 255 gr bullet at 1320 fps (and can be hand loaded to around 1700-1800 fps with a 245-255 grain bullets (see above)).

Winchester tried newer mid bore cartridges in the form of both the .375 Win that launched a 200 grain bullet at about 2200 fps, and a 250 gr bullet at 1900 fps, as well as the .356 Win that launched a 200 grain bullet at about 2450 fps. Neither of them found much acceptance.

So the 35-30 would have filled a very narrow niche.
 

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Tdoyka,

Between 1,700 and 1,800 ft/ second is what I wish to get out of my .35/30-30. I shall be using solid brass flat nose bullets and was wondering about weight. I do not want more than 1,800 ft/sec. Before having shot the 200 gr what was your expectation for bullet weight vs muzzle velocity? I do not care what the weight is, as long as I get 1700-1800 ft/sec.
 

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i expected the 200gr cast and 2400 would go around 1700-1800fps. i have so much alliant 2400(about 12+/- lbs) that decided to use it. i didn't use it but you could use rel 7, h4895 or imr3031 to get 1800fps.

the 245gr saeco should, i say should, go around 1700-1800fps. my next step will be a 280gr bullshop stomper ( https://bullshop.weebly.com/bullets.html )to shoot. i expect it will go 1400-1500fps with 2400.
 

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yesterday, i took my win m94 out to get sighted in for saturday. this is what i got.

https://www.shootersforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=97105&stc=1&d=1574974358

i haven't shot for around 1 1/2 months, thats why no. 1 is so off(2 shots for each, 3 shots for no. 5). i settled down and i shot no. 2. a few adjustments(going the wrong way!!!) later, then i shot no. 3. another adjustment, no. 4. another adjustment puts me dead on, no. 5.

the red diamond is around 3". you see 2 shots(which are on) and the one is either i pulled it or something else(me) did. but i won't mind a 1 1/4" group(outside to outside).

yes, i know, "you didn't shoot 10 shots. so you don't know the average group is." all i can say is so what. deer don't seem to mind, or rather they do!!!! soda cans, homemade steel targets, concrete blocks don't seem to mind too. i shot the dicken's out of her. heehee!!!!!


as you may already know, i had a win m94 (1973 version) in 30-30. i killed just about everything that walks, crawls and flies that is in PA. it was a good gun, but the old 30-30 just didn't do it fer me. as i got older, the win m94 goes back in my safe and it didn't reappear for about 25+/- years. now i got a rifle in 30-30 that i don't use.......JES Reboring to the rescue!!!!! he did a GREAT job on my old m94. if you ever have to rebore, see JES!!!!!! my hats off to JES!!!!!!

now i have a 35/30-30(or 35/30) and it shoots GREAT!!!! i use a 200gr fn gc(rcbs .360", lyman #2) with 20gr of 2400/dacron that goes 1726fps. recoil is next to none, i shot about 60-70 rounds in my t shirt and i didn't flinch.(people may know that i use wimp loads, i don't find that recoil bothers me, but why do it?)

i luv this rifle, i should've had the 35/30 years ago!!!!!
Thanks for posting this. I had begun another thread stating that I wanted to add a .35 caliber to my collection this year. Pretty much have decided on a .350 Magnum, but I have several cartridges that are built on the .30-30 case. I will do a little more study on the .35-30 and maybe add one later. I bought a T/C Encore 2 years ago and plan to maybe add an extra barrel every year or so. Also have a Contnder and have about 10 different barrels for it.
 

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That's interesting. I get around 1750 fps in my Model 94 in .38-55 using a 243 gr bullet.

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i can take it to around 2000fps using a different powder, but why.
 
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[QUOTE=tdoyka;2246547]i expected the 200gr cast and 2400 would go around 1700-1800fps. i have so much alliant 2400(about 12+/- lbs) that decided to use it. i didn't use it but you could use rel 7, h4895 or imr3031 to get 1800fps.

the 245gr saeco should, i say should, go around 1700-1800fps. my next step will be a 280gr bullshop stomper ( https://bullshop.weebly.com/bullets.html )to shoot. i expect it will go 1400-1500fps with 2400.[/QUOTE]

Thank you Tdoyka.

Instead of having a very narrow niche as I had initially planned for the rebarreling of the Marlin 30-30 with a .358 barrel (only bushbuck hunting with a 240 gr bullet at 1,700 ft/sec was my rough calculation) I now see that my dedicated bushveld hunting (under 150 yards at bushbuck, impala and kudu) will be adequately addressed with a 240 gr flat nose monolithic solid at 1,700-1,800 ft/sec. 2,000 ft/sec is not good as that means being at Mach 1.8 or slowing through Mach 1.8 before impact which I do not want. It is better to stay under M1.8 all the way, or stay above it all the way.

Our Somchem S341 or S335 will be perfect for this combination of case volume, calibre and bullet weight.
 
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i think, if you use the proper powders and take shots out to 150-200 yards, the 35/30 would be a good elk, bison and moose round. in my case, its an excellent round for deer and black bear. and it don't "kick" much "anysways"!!!!! :D
 
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... 2,000 ft/sec is not good as that means being at Mach 1.8 or slowing through Mach 1.8 before impact which I do not want. It is better to stay under M1.8 all the way, or stay above it all the way...
Interesting. Why is that? What is it about Mach 1.8 that effects the ballistics of the bullet?
If it's too much to type out feel free to just refer me to where I can read up on it.
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