thanks for the info I have had the gun to the range once using remington core lokts 200 gr and they were very accurate I used these to sight in ( slightly cheaper ammo) I didnt have the TBBC at that time and havent had the chance to try those yet hopefully they shoot as well I am plannning on using the remingtons for deer and as long as they shoot well the TBBC for bear I am still thinking about ordering some of the tsx bullets but they are about 2X more than the TBBC so I havent yet I figure I will try the TBBC bullets first and see how they shoot Thanks again and more info appreciated