have had a 356 win in a '94 bb. been using H322 with speer's max load behind a 220 speer. after 10 years have lucked into a marlin 336er. any suggestions for loads with same bulet?? how about cast/lead--any good loads that have been field proven--paper is easy to punch--want to hear about hair&hide.
356 win in a marlin 336er
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I finally got my marlin tuned in with 48.5 grns of w748. Most manuals only list 43grns @ 29k I got this load of 48.5 from Speer #11 and here http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm I havent had any pressure signs (my gun) I'm on my third loading with the same brass. I've had great luck with imr3031 but can't find a published load for the 220's. I might work on it this summer.
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Gentlemen, 356 Win data can be interpolated from 358 Win data. Due to the fact that the bullet is seated deeper in a 356, use the starting weight for 358 Win as the max load for the 356. Now drop back the percentage the same percentage amount and start development. Good Luck.
Geez Louise guys. we're on the beartooth forum. does any one here actually use these cast projectiles? how about a recommendation of a load with their product(s)? sized to what diameter for a marlin? some one here uses these i know.
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rackettc,
Before I became a confirmed cast bullet junkie, I had very good luck with the Speer 220 gr FN over 46.0 grs. of IMR 4064, stuffed in Win. brass and a CCI 200 primer. Velocity was clocked at just over 2300 fps with accuracy in the 1-1.5" range at 100 yds. in both my Marlin 336ER and two other buddies 336ER's. Those Marlins shoot! Consider yourself fortunate in owning one of these fine calibered leverguns as Marlin only made a little over 2,400 of them. Too bad the shooting public didn't pick up on this, as poor sales forced Marlin to drop it.
Now, for cast bullet loads, try these:
BTB .359"-210g LFNGC/50.0g H335/WLRP/Win brass/2310 fps
BTB .359-210g LFNGC/47.3g IMR 4895/WLRP/Win brass/2446 fps
BTB .359-210g LFNGC/40.8g H4198/WLRP/Win brass/2487 fps
As always, start 5% lower in reference to powder charge, and work up ! Seat bullets so they just kiss the lands, when chambered. I've had extremely good results with the above loads. I substituted the RCBS .35 200 gr FN for Marshall's, with same results. For best groups, allow the barrel to cool, between shots, as cast bullets are more sensitive in this regard. These loads were printed out by Marshall early last year for the Winchester 94BB. As I stated, I've used them in my Marlin 336ER, without a hitch. Just work up s l o w l y.......
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Jeff
Before I became a confirmed cast bullet junkie, I had very good luck with the Speer 220 gr FN over 46.0 grs. of IMR 4064, stuffed in Win. brass and a CCI 200 primer. Velocity was clocked at just over 2300 fps with accuracy in the 1-1.5" range at 100 yds. in both my Marlin 336ER and two other buddies 336ER's. Those Marlins shoot! Consider yourself fortunate in owning one of these fine calibered leverguns as Marlin only made a little over 2,400 of them. Too bad the shooting public didn't pick up on this, as poor sales forced Marlin to drop it.
Now, for cast bullet loads, try these:
BTB .359"-210g LFNGC/50.0g H335/WLRP/Win brass/2310 fps
BTB .359-210g LFNGC/47.3g IMR 4895/WLRP/Win brass/2446 fps
BTB .359-210g LFNGC/40.8g H4198/WLRP/Win brass/2487 fps
As always, start 5% lower in reference to powder charge, and work up ! Seat bullets so they just kiss the lands, when chambered. I've had extremely good results with the above loads. I substituted the RCBS .35 200 gr FN for Marshall's, with same results. For best groups, allow the barrel to cool, between shots, as cast bullets are more sensitive in this regard. These loads were printed out by Marshall early last year for the Winchester 94BB. As I stated, I've used them in my Marlin 336ER, without a hitch. Just work up s l o w l y.......
Hope this helps. Just ask, and ye shall receive by someone on this sight. <!--emo&
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rackettc,
Never shot a deer with the .356, but have knocked a few down with the .35 Rem Marlin, with the same cast bullet. Performance was up to be expected. Thru and thru, with about 1" wound channel. Deer traveled about 30 yds, large blood trail, on both accounts. Velocity was about 2200 fps, range 75 and about 100 yds for both deer. About same results as a handloaded 200 gr core-lokt Rem bullet. However, more satisfaction taking a game animal with my own home grown projectile.
This year, I plan on using my .35 Whelen, with same bullet going 2700 fps. Should be fun, and deadly !
Jeff
Never shot a deer with the .356, but have knocked a few down with the .35 Rem Marlin, with the same cast bullet. Performance was up to be expected. Thru and thru, with about 1" wound channel. Deer traveled about 30 yds, large blood trail, on both accounts. Velocity was about 2200 fps, range 75 and about 100 yds for both deer. About same results as a handloaded 200 gr core-lokt Rem bullet. However, more satisfaction taking a game animal with my own home grown projectile.
This year, I plan on using my .35 Whelen, with same bullet going 2700 fps. Should be fun, and deadly !
Jeff
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exactly the info i was wanting. seems like you favor the 358 dia. also. i have: 35 rem(2),356 win(2),358 win(3),35 win(1),35 whelen(1),9x72rmm drilling(1). the only ones unbloodied are the 356 wins, the whelen, and the drilling. going to ark in nov for bucks&ducks, the drilling and the 356 wins should get the first game there if not already done in ga by then. thanks for the info--cb
exactly the info i was wanting. seems like you favor the 358 dia. also. i have: 35 rem(2),356 win(2),358 win(3),35 win(1),35 whelen(1),9x72rmm drilling(1). the only ones unbloodied are the 356 wins, the whelen, and the drilling. going to ark in nov for bucks&ducks, the drilling and the 356 wins should get the first game there if not already done in ga by then. thanks for the info--cb
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I use a Speer 180-grain flatpoint and 49 grains of IMR 4895, for about 2400 fps...it's very accurate in my gun, and it's like the touch of god on deer...I've hit three with it, and all three have dropped in thier tracks. The bullet is VERY destructive on deer, though. But it shoots flat enough so that I held dead on a deer and connected at 150 yards.
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