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I'm curious Marshall.  Could your .377 250gr bullet be cast with a larger meplat?  Or would this present feeding problems from tube mag rifles?  I notice that the .458 rifle bullet has a meplat that's about 70% of the nominal diameter and the .429 bullet has about 80%.  The .377 only is about 65%.  These bullets are all regularly fired in various Marlin 336-styled rifles.  Since killing power with hard cast is highly dependent on meplat diameter it would seem like a good idea to maximize it.  How far off base am I here?
 

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Bart,

You aren't off base at all!  The wounding potential is indeed dependent upon meplat diameter of the bullet.  I've toyed with the idea of making a .375-250g WFNGC bullet, but there really hasn't seemed to be an interest in such a bullet to warrant tooling up for it, as it would be totally custom proposition.  I don't anticipate any feeding problems for the guns that the .375 Winchester and .38-55's are chambered, just the demand for the bullet, would it justify the expense to make it available?

I've had the priviledge of putting the wax on quite a lot of game using both the .375 H&H as well as the .375 Winchester, and let me tell you, that at a lowly starting velocity of 2250 fps that LFN nose profile puts golf-ball sized holes all the way through the game it hits!

Too, if you're concerned about wound channel, try annealling the nose of these bullets (see tip in tips section on this subject. Click Here

With the noses annealled I've seen some amazing wound channels and stunning game performance with these bullets, almost to the point of being distasteful with their destructiveness.

I appreciate the question, and I'm open to shooter's input and fulfilling needs where they exist!  Let me know what you think!

God Bless,

Marshall
 

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I have yet to take any game with your 250 LFNGC, and hope to see your results this fall's elk season here in central CO.  However, if I had the chance to order some 375 heavies with a .265 - .300 meplat I'd be in line.  I appreciate the opportunity to give my input.  I wonder how much weight they'd lose if the nose were truncated a bit on your current offering?  Sectional density may become questionable after a point but would be worth an experiment.  A wider, blunter point would certainly result.

I'd like to add, that if there are any other 375 shooters out there that would like to see this bullet, now's your chance to stand up and be counted as a group.  I don't know if Marshall would be willing to do it or not based on our numbers but let's give it a try!


(Edited by bartmasterson at 5:58 am on Aug. 2, 2001)
 

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I would also like to see a wide meplat 250 gr for my 375 Marlin.Love this rifle and caliber! Tom
 

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Marshall,
If you decide to try a run of wide, heavy bullets for the 38-55 Count me in for a goodly supply of them for my 336CB.
 

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I am listening!  I've often thought about a 290-300 grain bullet, but it would limit application strictly to the .375 Winchester and .38-55 with their straight walled case, and wouldn't be applicable to the .375 H&H due to the length of neck/throat and the gas check would be below the case neck.

Weight... what do you want?  No guarantees, but I'm listening and counting!

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Marshall
 

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Marshall,
A WFN in the 290-325 gr range sounds fine to me.
I'm considering a shortened 375SM on one of my extra NMBH frames using a 5" oct bbl from Badger.(cut off from a Badger replacement bbl for my 336CB) and would use the bullet in both guns.
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The articles on the 444 are outstanding, looking forward to the next one.  God Bless and keep up the good work.
 

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I'd be interested in anything in the 290-330gr range, although I'd be a little concerned about usable powder space with the heavier ones.  Any ideas on what kind of performance could be expected with a 330 WFN?  Use of 38-55 cases would maximize powder space but then OAL might become a problem for some rifles.  I'm too lazy to make the calculations right now, but the sectional density should be pretty good with that weight and would penetrate like there's no tomorrow!

I'll buy some if you make them.
 

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Marshall... I would try any WFN bullets.  @250 grsn to keep velocities up? How slow would a 300 gr. bullet be out of the little .375 Win?
 

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Count me in also for a WFN option in .375.  Actually, I would welcome any addition you made in this caliber as any addition choice is a good thing in my opinion.  A WFN in 250 gr would be my first choice, and maybe a 220 gr WFN?  I don't have much use for a 300 gr (but it would be cool!) and deer wouldn't notice the difference between a 220 gr and 250 gr.  Just a thought.
 

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I would just have to be in line for a 250gr. wide meplat bullet,why when  I get em I"d problly be jumpin up an down an hollerin and my wife would thank I was crazyer than she already thanks I am.
 

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It seems to me that if we go to big with the bullet, (300+gn) we will be turning our rifles into a .454 handgun ballistically. Only with less diameter.  I think it would be nice to keep our rifle ballisics just give it a wider nose. 220 -250 grn? What do you think Marshal?
 

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I would go along with your choices as well, as long as we get 2 choices.  Otherwise I'd opt for the heavier one.  Something in the 280-300gr WFN class would be my single choice.  I won't argue with anyone about the virtues of 220 vs 250 vs 300.  If I had my druthers I'd take them all!  According to Clay Harvey, the Hornady 220 gr was his idea based on approximation of the sectional density of the Hornady 35 cal 200 gr bullet.  This would make a great bullet in BTB hard cast form no doubt, and the 35 slug has a good reputation.  But for bone crunching I'd like to see the heavy weight.  And if I had to compromise maybe just reprofiling the existing 250 gr to WFN.  A wide range of bullet weights is obviously missing in this caliber.

Marshall, do you have any idea of the kind of velocity we could expect from the heavier of these?  Maybe something in the 1700-1800 fps range?  Could a 250 WFN result in more case capacity (relative to the 250 LFN) due to moving some weight forward?  Sounds like there are some customers lining up here.  What are your thoughts?



(Edited by bartmasterson at 2:40 pm on Nov. 16, 2001)
 

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Marshall,

A nice 270 grainer... or a 250, or a 220...

PLEEEEAASSEEEE!  When it gets too cold up there to hunt, or make bullets, how about some of your musings on the 375 Winchester in print for those of us who need to feed our politically incorrect passions!

Thanks, Lord Bless!  
                                   Jim B
 

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Looks like a pretty die-hard .375 Win. following. I wonder how many of us there really are and if there is enough money in it for Marshall to make some profit so it's worth while?
 

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If there are any 375 fans out there that are lurkers please stand up and be counted!  BTB may be the most 375-friendly bullet producer in existence.  If we ever had a chance to influence bullet selection this may be it.

BTW, I haven't heard anything out of Marshall lately.  I hope his health is good.
 

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I got a BB 375 that could use some of those .. Count me in .. I haven't played with that one in some time ,, may be time to dust it off ----- yep I feel the blood flowing I better drag it out when I get home .....    Mac
 

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I'm new here but had to chime in...

I'm for any new bullets for the 38-55!  250-300 grainers all with GC, wider meplat, .379 diameter (that's what my bbl slugged).

I'm new to the caliber and a very cautious reloader. Can you produce a 250 gr that will let me get 2000 fps out of the Marlin 336CB without a leading problem? Is the Marlin safe at these pressures?

Oops! Seems I would have answered my own question had I just read ahead to page twenty. Seems that 2000 fps has been achieved by Marshal already.

BTW. Thanks for the work done by all for the 38-55 loads. I've found more here in a few days of reading than two years of research elsewhere. Load development can stress a budget and I appreciate solid recommendations on which to base my own experiments.

Thanks,   Rob


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