[Brian_Doyle]

Anybody using cast bullets with this cartridge? Came across a 1895 Win this weekend that I couldn't pass up. Neck is pretty short(.300) and there isn't a bunch of throat. Any sugestions? Can't see using jacketed for plinker/rock busting loads.

 

[alyeska338]

Brian,
I was hoping someone would chime in with some good loads for you, but, well, don't guess that's happening.

At any rate, I have to tell you that I don't have a 375 Hawk and don't know too much about them. However Z-Hat has some loads published on their website. Not any cast recipes, but you may be able to use some of the information. Here's the link: http://www.z-hat.com/375 Hawk.htm

 

[Brian_Doyle]

375 Hawk

Well, all I've done so far is some case forming loads. I have a mould from NEI that drops a 285 gr gas check bullet. It has two lube grooves and I have to stick the lower groove in the boiler room. Forming I used 29 gr SR4759. After forming I used 50gr H4895 and had a velocity of 2280. The high was 2316, low 2240. I had two basic groups. If I tilted the gun foward I got 2240-2245. Tilted back I got 2280-2290. Just a bit to much air space for my liking. If I could just keep the cases concentric while forming I'll be a lot happier.
PS I had to put a on 1inch thick Decelerator. That metal plate on a 1895 Win is a killer!

 

[osoksnip[er]

I built one this year and find that the barnes 250 grain and 60.0 grains of H4895 will shoot sub MOA groups with the mauser action and the douglass #6 air gauged barrel. Also, used 58.0 grains H4895 and got great results with the 270 grain barnes xlc bullet. I have used 56.0 grains H4895 with both Hornady and Speer 300 grain Boat tail soft points for great accuracy as well. The 300 grain bullets drop more however, seem to fall in the same place every time and whew...they will totally destroy a phonebook, it is amazing!!! Feel free to email me, I have develpoed many loads that really work, you may need to reduce them a little for your lever action with a bit shorter barrel(mine is 25) but, they should work great.

SHOOT WELL.
LOAD BETTER.

 

[bdoyle]

I have been using the Lyman 375449 264 gr sized to .376 sitting on 60gr surplus 4831. I haven't chronied it but it does get moving pretty good. Doesen't beat you up either. I have a NEI mould 375-304 (324gr) that I am looking to try. These drop @ .377 with the first band @ .375. Interesting. I have been forming brass from new win 270. RCBS has a expander for a 375 Whelen and works in one pass. I then fire form them with a bit lesser charge of 4831. I have been using the slower powders in defference to the cast bullets. No leading and I am probably in the 1800-1900 fps range. This is with 16:1 lead:tin alloy.

Brian

 

[osoksnip[er]

That is very cool. I haven't really worked on a reduced load say less than 2000 fps for anything but, would make a really good practice load. I have a heavy barrel though so, the bigger, heavier loads don't bother too much. Is your .375 Hawk/Scovill on a lever or bolt action?

 

[osoksnip[er]

As far as plinking loads, out on ebay, I see the sierra and the hornady 225, 235, 250 pretty regularly for around 5.00 per box, plus shipping makes it about 10 each...that is good plinking and you could get several to save shipping in some cases. I bought 5 boxes recently and paid a little over 40 dollars shipping and all. would be pretty hard to beat am thinking even with straight lead bullets.

 

[bdoyle]

I had to look that load up. I haven't shot it for about a year. I used data from the Speer #13 manual for a 9.3X63 from which the s/h is derived. 60gr 4831 is 2166fps and 64gr - 2493. 60gr 4831 just about fills the case. I really don't recommend shooting from a bench. I stand up and shoot offhand. I don't think it breaks 2000fps but it does reach out pretty well. Kind of like a 38-55 / 375 win on steriods.

Brian

ps - I forgot - It's a 1895 (Miroko) Winchester take down. I bought it used and was told it was a Z-Hat conversion.

 

[osoksnip[er]

Wow,

That is cool BDoyle!!! You worked up loads based on the 9.3x62!!! Very smart idea and, since it is slightly less pressure, you knew you would be ok with the loads. How was your accuracy on these? Am thinking it would be pretty good out to a couple of hundred yards. I used these loads along with what Barnes manual #3 has for the .375 Scovill, they call it instead of Hawk/Scovill.

data is listed here, but proceed at your own risk as always, this data came from data on load data account.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS)

210 Barnes X-Bullet IMR IMR-4320 62.0 2,789
Remarks: OAL: 2.160

210 Barnes X-Bullet Hodgdon H-4895 63.0 2,934
Remarks: OAL: 2.160

220 Barnes Hodgdon H-4895 62.0 2,872
Remarks: OAL: 2.953

220 Barnes Accurate Arms AAC-2015 59.0 2,896
Remarks: OAL: 2.953

220 Barnes Accurate Arms AAC-2495 60.0 2,724
Remarks: OAL: 2.953

220 Barnes IMR IMR-4320 59.0 2,781
Remarks: OAL: 2.953

220 Hornady Alliant RL-15 62.0 2,776
Remarks: OAL: 2.953

220 Hornady Alliant RL-15 63.0 2,763
Remarks: OAL: 2.953; RL-15 manufactured 7/93

235 Barnes X-Bullet Hodgdon H-4895 56.0 2,645
Remarks: OAL: 3.140

235 Barnes X-Bullet Hodgdon H-4895 63.0 2,790
Remarks: OAL: 3.140

235 Barnes X-Bullet Accurate Arms AAC-2015 58.0 2,770
Remarks: OAL: 3.140

235 Hawk Hodgdon H-4895 59.0 2,714
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

235 Hawk Hodgdon H-4895 61.5 2,782
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

235 Hawk Accurate Arms AAC-2015 58.0 2,780
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

235 Hawk Alliant RL-15 60.5 2,689
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

235 Speer Hodgdon H-4895 59.0 2,715
Remarks: OAL: 3.153

235 Speer Hodgdon H-4895 60.0 2,791
Remarks: OAL: 3.153

235 Speer Hodgdon H-4895 61.0 2,836
Remarks: OAL: 3.153

235 Speer Hodgdon H-4895 61.5 2,782
Remarks: OAL: 3.153; maximum

235 Speer Alliant RL-15 61.0 2,659
Remarks: OAL: 3.153; RL-15 manufactured 7/93

235 Speer Alliant RL-15 62.0 2,708
Remarks: OAL: 3.153; RL-15 manufactured 7/93

235 Speer Accurate Arms AAC-2495 59.0 2,525
Remarks: OAL: 3.153

235 Speer Alliant RL-12 59.0 2,606
Remarks: OAL: 3.153

250 Barnes X-Bullet Alliant RL-15 56.0 2,457
Remarks: OAL: 3.140

250 Barnes X-Bullet Alliant RL-15 57.0 2,530
Remarks: OAL: 3.140

250 Barnes X-Bullet Alliant RL-15 58.0 2,531
Remarks: OAL: 3.140; RL-15 manufactured 7/93

250 Hawk Hodgdon H-4895 59.0 2,701
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

250 Hawk Accurate Arms AAC-2015 57.0 2,668
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

250 Hawk Alliant RL-12 57.0 2,415
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

250 Hawk Accurate Arms AAC-2495 58.0 2,424
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

250 Hawk Alliant RL-15 57.0 2,453
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

250 Hawk Alliant RL-15 58.0 2,508
Remarks: OAL: 3.185; RL-15 manufactured 7/93

250 Hawk Alliant RL-15 59.0 2,539
Remarks: OAL: 3.185; RL-15 manufactured 7/93

250 Hawk IMR IMR-4320 59.0 2,685
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

250 Swift A-Frame Hodgdon H-4895 58.0 2,560
Remarks: OAL: 3.10

250 Swift A-Frame IMR IMR-4320 58.0 2,690
Remarks: OAL: 3.10

260 Nosler Partition Accurate Arms AAC-2015 56.0 2,677
Remarks: OAL: 3.185; hot

260 Nosler Partition Accurate Arms AAC-2495 57.0 2,531
Remarks: OAL: 3.100

260 Nosler Partition Hodgdon H-4895 57.0 2,603
Remarks: OAL: 3.100

260 Nosler Partition Alliant RL-15 57.0 2,554
Remarks: OAL: 3.100; RL-15 manufactured 7/93

270 Hawk Hodgdon H-4895 55.0 2,448
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

270 Hawk Accurate Arms AAC-2015 55.0 2,504
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

270 Hawk Accurate Arms AAC-2015 56.0 2,584
Remarks: OAL: 3.185; near maximum

270 Hawk Alliant RL-12 55.0 2,431
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

270 Hawk Alliant RL-15 55.0 2,388
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

270 Hawk Alliant RL-15 57.0 2,460
Remarks: OAL: 3.185

270 Hawk Alliant RL-15 58.0 2,505
Remarks: OAL: 3.185; RL-15 manufactured 7/93

270 Hornady roundnose Hodgdon H-4895 57.0 2,529
Remarks: OAL: 3.180

270 Hornady roundnose Hodgdon H-4895 58.0 2,540 to 2,585
Remarks: OAL: 3.180

270 Hornady roundnose Accurate Arms AAC-2495 56.0 2,384
Remarks: OAL: 3.180

270 Hornady SS Hodgdon H-4895 58.0 2,552
Remarks: OAL: 3.240

270 Hornady SS Accurate Arms AAC-2495 56.0 2,452
Remarks: OAL: 3.240

270 Hornady SS Alliant RL-15 58.0 2,515
Remarks: OAL: 3.240

285 Speer GS Hodgdon H-4895 55.0 2,413
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

285 Speer GS Hodgdon H-4895 56.5 2,490
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

285 Speer GS Hodgdon H-4895 57.0 2,510
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

285 Speer GS Accurate Arms AAC-2015 53.5 2,447
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

285 Speer GS Alliant RL-12 55.0 2,433
Remarks: OAL: 3.175; near maximum

285 Speer GS Accurate Arms AAC-2495 55.0 2,401
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

285 Speer GS Alliant RL-15 55.0 2,344
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

285 Speer GS Alliant RL-15 56.0 2,384
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

285 Speer GS Alliant RL-15 57.0 2,484
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

285 Speer GS IMR IMR-4320 56.3 2,457
Remarks: OAL: 3.175

300 Hornady Hodgdon H-4895 56.0 2,385 to 2,420
Remarks: OAL: 3.162

300 Hornady Accurate Arms AAC-2495 55.0 2,358
Remarks: OAL: 3.162

300 Hornady IMR IMR-4320 55.0 2,346
Remarks: OAL: 3.162

300 Hornady Accurate Arms AAC-2015 53.5 2,380
Remarks: OAL: 3.162

300 Hornady Alliant RL-15 56.0 2,397
Remarks: OAL: 3.162; very good

 

[osoksnip[er]

It is a rumor I am hearing now that Hornady and Hodgdon are both going to publish data on this cartridge next time around. I am interested to see if Speer follows suit.

 

[Big 5]

Big 5

New to this forum, but I am presently shooting a 375x62 (9.5x62) and doing quit a bit of load work on it..It came about with a gift of a 9x57 with a shot out very rusted barrel, and since the rifle was a beauty in great shape other than the barrel..I sent it out to be rebored to 9.3x62 but High Plains said I needed to bore it out more, so I went to .375 as I am a fan of the .375 H&H...

I apparantly have somewhat more powder capacity than the Hawk/Scoville, perhaps about 8 more grs. of powder capacity...I am getting 2521 to 2533 FPS with the 300 gr. Hornady, that is the same velocity I load my .375 H&H..Granted the H&H will get me about 100 to 150 FPS more velocity, but thats un-needed on even Cape Buffalo, elephant or Lion..The more I play with this nice Mauser and its claw mounts and great iron sights, the more I like it..I love the full rib 26 inch light barrel and a total wt. of 8 lbs loaded..Easy to pack, quick to click the scope off and it shoots an inch for 3 shots with most loads tested..I did have to restock it as it split out early on..Old gun and dry rotted wood..Now its a full blown custom rifle..Dennis Olson heated my 9.3x62 dies and bored them out to 375x62 and they are working perfectly. He also built me a set of QD rings for the original claw bases and they are working exceptionally well and returning to EXACT zero everytime..The old claws are still the best QD's ever made.

besides that it will make not only my African rifle but a neat elk gun in my home state of Idaho..

 

[nvshooter]

I sent it out to be rebored to 9.3x62 but High Plains said I needed to bore it out more...

WHO?? Who, what, where is High Plains? I need a Remington-contour barrel for my next mildcat project. Thinking about buying a pre-threaed and pre-chambered .308Win barrel from Shilen and then reboring it to .358" so I can have the bore and the NQA contour. How much to bore/rifle and what's the turnaround time? Got a link??? Please reply soonest. Thanks!

 

[338 Hammertyme]

Boring and chambering

Talk with Chris @ Benchmark barrels. They have a business friend not far from their shop that re-bores barrels.

Benchmark Barrels

Arlington, WA

Phone: (360) 652-2594

e-mail: [email protected]

 

[nvshooter]

My gunsmith says having an OEM Remington barrel rebored would take a year and we'd have no guarantee of it being a successful build, meaning it might not hit a pie tin at the 25-yard rough sight-in distance. So reboring is out. Looking at Hart to do a 99% close turn and then I guess we'll have the stock opened up to fit the barrel. I wanted to measuree the stock in multiple-- and I mean multiple-- places, then have Hart use their CNC machines to interpolate the points into a lovely radius. The end result would be a barrel that would exactly fit the stock, less about 1/20 inches for total clearance. My gunsmith said that was possible but that my idea introduced too many avenues for failure, ending up in him having to rasp out the stock, anyway. I disagree, and so the barrel is still up in the air. I do not want to bugger the original finish on the stock. I am looking at one of those lefty stocks for righty actions, and in a glossy-glossy finish. Touching up a glossy finish always looks abysmal. Clearly, more thinkin' is required...

 

[338 Hammertyme]

My gunsmith says having an OEM Remington barrel rebored would take a year and we'd have no guarantee of it being a successful build
Very interesting concept to say the least. How would someone know how long it world take for another business to do a job?

The people I know and have had work done have been in business for a lot of years doing the same thing and restoring peoples treasures.
In the 70's and 80's the price was reasonable. Today in my opinion reboring isn't cheap compared to buying a Remington pre-made barrel.

This gentleman actually makes a pre-made factory contour Remington barrel with a nut like A Savage so the common guy doesn't have to wait and then pay someone good money to install a barrel. SMiths have said we can't do it just like smiths have said we can't or shouldn't change out a Savage barrels. In reality, every two I do I save smith cost and can buy another barrel or two.

http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?344-Remington-Pre-Fit-Rem-Age-Barrels

FYI

Neal

 

[MikeG]

Why wouldn't you send the old barrel in first, so the new barrel could match it? Would seem to be the simplest option.....

Cutting out the barrel channel a little deeper shouldn't mess up the stock finish where it shows - at least I would think.

Just some ideas.

 

[nvshooter]

Ain't got one...

Why wouldn't you send the old barrel in first, so the new barrel could match it?

'Cause I ain't got an old barrel. I want to buy a fully-finished stock, then drop the barreled action into it. Trouble is, I see the barrel makers who say their barrels are Remington-contour and are more-or-less a drop-in, have a teeny-tiny disclaimer that says they might not be 100% drop-in. Say you might have to open the barrel channel a bit. Not what I want. Stockwork takes time and is expensive. Once you open the finish with which the stock came, you have to refinish the whole blasted thing. That was when I came up with the idea of making many measurements on the actual stock I'll use and having Hart turn one up to those dimensions. I think that would be easy enough, but my gunsmith says it's asking for problems. So we're treading water, right now. I ought to just do it and hand it to him to thread and install, et cetera...

 

[nvshooter]

Contacted Redman...

My gunsmith says having an OEM Remington barrel rebored would take a year and we'd have no guarantee of it being a successful build
Very interesting concept to say the least. How would someone know how long it world take for another business to do a job?

Neal

Contacted Redman Reboring, up in Washington. He says can't do it for reasons that escape me, right now. So reboring is out. I had Hart make me a barrel in just three months after waiting on Satern for ten (whom did NOTHING in that time). I like Hart to make this second barrel. Just got to get back home to NV to get back to work on it. I'm on the East Coast right now, for about another week. Ain't doin' ANY shootin', here...

 

[MikeG]

Hmmm. I guess I have never given a thought to reworking the barrel channel and sealing it again with polyurethane or whatever was handy.

I suspect that factory Remington barrels vary a bit more in contour than folks expect.... food for thought.

Good luck with your project.

 

[nvshooter]

Hmmm. I guess I have never given a thought to reworking the barrel channel and sealing it again with polyurethane or whatever was handy.

I suspect that factory Remington barrels vary a bit more in contour than folks expect.... food for thought.

Good luck with your project.

I'm sure you have thought about reworking a barrel channel, as have umpteen thousands of other folks. It's just something I want to avoid. It's easy to turn steel off a barrel in thousandths of an inch. We can measure that, and a good machinist goes slow in the process. Taking out wood is a far more brutal process. It comes out "inexactly." If too much is taken out, then we reach for the gunsmithing equivalent of Bondo body filler. I want to avoid that, too. This is the idea behind measuring the very stock I'll use, then having Hart machine to just under what I measure, by about .05 inches OD, or so. I know: It's the long way around the barn-- and may even qualify for the 2012 Re-invention of the Wheel Award. But that's the way I am. I always seem to want what can't be bought right off a shelf. So I have it made at a cost of great time and monetary expense. Good thing God made me so ugly. Wimmenz ain't interested and I get to keep all of my paycheck after Uncle gets his. After what I must spend has been, the remainder goes toward guns and ammo. What's not to like?

Per Remington factory barrels varying in size, they do-- albeit not by much. I do not know if there is more than one barrel factory or what. I expect the barrels are made on CNC machines and all of them use the very same program. It just seems to me that the aftermarket makers do not turn them to exactly the same sizes that Remington does. As popular as the M700 is, you'd think ripping off a contour would be easy as cake. At least getting it to 1/1000" above or below ought to be easy. Still, the aftermarket makers all say that minor fitting to the stock may be required.

In sum, I have no animus toward those who do things differently than me. Building a gun is a personal thing. The builder must at the outset like what he has created, or he will never truly be proud of the thing deep inside himself. We cannot love a gun. What we love and revere is the memories we created while using that gun. The gun "becomes" the memories, if you will. That is why we keep our fathers' guns, even if those guns are beyond junk.

Thank You for the good wishes, MikeG. Timely posts will be made, showing how well the adventure proceeds...