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416-284 McPherson

snake river rufus said:
You are right Jack. I read the article in an old issue of Handloader and the line that I recall was " I created this caliber for the 400 gr barnes bullet". my error. Mea culpa.
I have a close cousin to the 416Barnes.It is a 416-284 McPherson in a Savage M99R with 26in barrel.

416 Barnes 300grSp 2355fps-3695fpe
416-284 300gr Barnes X 2500fps-4162fpe

416 Barnes 330gr LEAD 2270fps-3435fpe
416-284 350gr Barnes Solid 2400fps-4475fpe

416 Barnes 400gr SP 2155fps-4125fpe
416-284 400gr AGS Solid 2200fps-4298fpe

There are a couple reasons why i choose the 416-284 McPherson over the 416Barnes.First i'm a big fan of the 284Win.Second it(284Win) holds more powder than the 45/70.Third I love the Savage M99 and have 15 of them.Fourth because of the Savage M99,I can and do use spitzer bullets and load pressures are at 60,000psi with no problems(per Mic McPherson).Neither which is possible in the Marlin M1895,Win M1886,Win M71 etc...
 

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416VVC

RAS323 said:
Jim, Vigin Valley Custom Guns makes a 416vvc. It's similar to the 416 barnes but improved. I have one in a 15" encore.
I can get about 2075fps with a 350speer. VVC doesn't have it listed and I had to get my own Dies made (CH&4D).
I have fire formed 284 brass in this chamber (to see if it would work) but the base has a bulge of about 0.010". Shortened 376 styre brass works great.
Also the Cartridges of the World 8th edition has the case dimensions and a couple of loads(300-400grain bullets) for the 416 barnes.

What is the case capacity of this 416 VVC?Does it exceed the 416-284 McPhersons CC: of 67.10?Or the 416-284McPhersons COL: of 2.825? Just wondering. I compute the ballistics you gave into a 22in Marlin at around 2250fps.
 

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RAS323 said:
Enforcer, I don't really know the case capacity in cc. The dimensions of the case are: base Dia. 0.504", Shoulder Dia. 0.491", Rim to shoulder lenght 1.660"+/- , neck lenght about 0.398", overall case lenght 2.100". I weighed 58 grains of water with a speer 350 seated to 2.825" (the cannelure is below the neck). 64gr. of water with a 335gr beartooth seated the same ( two grease grooves exposed) and 76.7 grains of water fill to top of case (no meniscus). I hope that helps. By the way I was using starline brass I believe Win. and Rem. hold more (thinner brass).

Rick


If it hops it drops, If it flies it dies!
I want to line these puppies up:

Base diameter 416VCC:.504, 416-284:.500
Shoulder diameter 416VCC:491, 416-284:.486
Case length 416VCC:2.10, 416-284:2.17
COL 416VCC:2.825, 416-284:2.825
Case Capacity 416VCC: 76.7, 416-284: 67.15

They should be very close.It would seem the 416VCC has an edge with a larger case capacity.But velocities don't show that with a clear edge to the 416-284McPerson.But still sounds like a nice round.
 
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