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can I beat 23gr. of  H-110   and a 240gr. jsp in my 10 1/2 in.  superblackhawk for deer ?


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Don't know what velocities you are getting but commonly the 280 gr. WFNGC is capable of all the velocity of the 240 gr. jacketed bullets, due to taking up about the same powder space.

However for deer it's doubtful that they'll notice any difference.

Did you want more velocity, more bullet weight, or other?
 

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 Thanks for taking the time to reply Mike actually im just looking for someones chrono data with the same load with the same barrel length to see if its around my guess of 1500fps as you can see i corrected the powder type error, hope i didn't startle anyone and would like to thank all who commented on the just curious thread.  
 

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QuickLoad estimates a velocity of 1460 and max pressure only around 25.6Kpsi

Normally its pretty close on the 44 from past experience.
 

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It is a piece of software that does well with "what if" type of load. I've had it for a while and it wan't the easiest software to get. Now the NECO has acquired distributorship, you can get it from them and apparently Cabelas too.  I theink NECO has the demo on their site.

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Indeed NECO does sell the program, QuickLoad is &#36149.95.  I haven't used it, but their free Demo is downloading as I type this.

Here's  a  link to the page for the QuickLoad Demo download:

Neco QuickLoad Demo

I can't vouch for it's usefullness, but I too plan on lookng at it!

God Bless,

Marshall
 

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Hi Blackhawk,
I'm glad you corrected to H-110 instead of 2400.  I have chronographed a lot of the loads you are looking for.  Natually there is a variance with primers, powders, type of 240 gr jacket bullets and temp and on and on.  Generally I found 23.0 gr H-110 with a Mag primer to be very close to max.  Velocity out of a 7 1/2" SBH ran about 1350 fps.  In the same gun I found it hard to break 1400 fps with Marshall's 280 gr WFNGC bullet.  Pressures are really up there when you break 1400 fps in a 7 1/2" bbl.  H-110 is still the powder of choice, though I have some interesting data on Lil Gun and AA-9.  You can really make Marshall's 250 gr LFNGC scream if that's what you want.  My best guess (and it's really a guess) is that you can add 70 fps to my numbers with that 10 1/2" bbl.  

If it were me and I wanted to hammer a deer and put him down fast, I'd load Marshall's 280gr WFNGC with H-110 and get it spinning @ 1350-1400 fps in your gun.  It makes a very big hole and penetrates fully.  If you really want a 240 gr jacketed bullet, I beieve the best is Speer's new plated 240 gr.  It is the littlest brother to their 270 and 300gr.  Still though, the 280gr WFN leaves it in the dust.

Feel free to ask for any data I have.  If you'd like to spend more time on load details, feel free to e mail me at [email protected]

Hope this helps.. God bless..........  Bill M

Hope this helps
 

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 Thanks Bill,  the 280 wfngc sounds like what im looking for.  Im new to handloading in general and have killed a few deer with this setup but recently became interested in cast bullets.  I have yet to get a double shoulder shot on a large deer and while the expansion I get is amazing I dont think this bullet would pass through completely on this type of scenerio and since im already loaded pretty warm and also get 1400-1500fps maybe (if not just for fun)try something different.  I don't know there's just something about knowing you have the punch to go clear through no matter what.  Sounds like the age old expansion vs penetration dilema.  So iv'e decided in order to attain pure utopia (or at least put a smile on my face) to load 3 jhp's and 3 cast.  What do you think?  Am I too worried about max. expansion on a rib shot?  
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Blackhawk,

Once you look at the 280 WFN you'll never want to load anything else. This little sledgehammer looks as impressive as it really is.

Personally I'm not certain that asking a handgun bullet to provide penetration and expansion on game is realistic. While a well placed shot that enters and exits is a sure bet, another well placed shot with a bullet that expands before the vitals are hit is a sign of disaster. A deep penetrating bullet also gives you more shot options. A raking shot with an expanding bullet could leave you trailing a wounded animal.

The WFN offers tremendous shock potential. It's nearly a full wadcutter profile and it will hammer anything it hits. I plan on thinning the coyote population in the area with my Marlin 44 mag using the 280 WFN.

One last remark. You may consider annealing the noses of your bullets. This technique allows you to reduce the hardness of just the nose portion of the projectile. While this portion of the bullet will expand and most likely shear off, the rest of the bullet just keeps on penetrating. This performance is similar to the Nosler Partition bullet which is praised for its game taking ability, and for good reason. Marshall's Technical Guide gives step by step instruction on the annealing process.

The WFN will not let you down
 
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