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I ask this over on Marlin owners and got flamed by the naysayers.

Does or has anyone successfully used 44 mag ammo in a 444 Marlin? 44 mag ammo can only be loaded two at a time, one in the chamber and one in the mag. The 444 chamber is slightly larger in dia. and causes a small bulge in the case of a fired 44 mag. The 44 Mag bullet fired in the 444 must jump some distance to contact the rifling so accuracy in my gun is non-existent. However, a fellow shooter claims to be getting good 50 yard groups with 44 mags in his 444 (2 inches at 50 yards). I'm doing something wrong or he is full of BS.

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Why do you want to shoot 44 Mag in a Marlin 444? Don't do it. The triple-4 chamber is made for a longer cartridge.....you are going to create a powder charge "ring" just in front of the shorter 44mag case mouth in the chamber.....

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.44-40 will match the chamber more closely, but still.... that is an awfully long jump to the rifling. It would seem an accident to get any sort of decent accuracy at all. Plus the point of impact must be way, way off?

I'm sure it's been done, and I'd do it if I had to. But I'd just as soon not get a face full of powder gas, either. As a handloader I can't stand to ruin brass on purpose.
 

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.44-40 will match the chamber more closely, but still.... that is an awfully long jump to the rifling. It would seem an accident to get any sort of decent accuracy at all. Plus the point of impact must be way, way off?

I'm sure it's been done, and I'd do it if I had to. But I'd just as soon not get a face full of powder gas, either. As a handloader I can't stand to ruin brass on purpose.
+1. Yes, I fully agree, Mike!
 

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Why do you want to shoot 44 Mag in a Marlin 444? Don't do it. The triple-4 chamber is made for a longer cartridge.....you are going to create a powder charge "ring" just in front of the shorter 44mag case mouth in the chamber.....

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Why do I want to shoot 44s in a 444? Read my post, "However, a fellow shooter claims to be getting good 50 yard groups with 44 mags in his 444 (2 inches at 50 yards). I'm doing something wrong or he is full of BS."
Unlike some, I will not call him full of BS until I know one way or the other. As far as the carbon ring? I have cleaning tools. It does NOT ruin the cases, a simple resizing and they are back to original.

44-40 may fit the chamber better but the long jump would still destroy the accuracy. Also, I do not intend to waste good 44-40 ammo with that sort of monkey business. I have buckets of 44 mag ammo, more than I will EVER shoot.

25 yard groups were 12 to 14 inches! Including key holes.
 

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The 44Mag case head is .014" smaller than the 444 Marlin. If you expand brass that much, then size it back down, you may not destroy the case in one firing, but it won't take more than one or two shots to get the job done. If you ask me, you're definitely doing something "wrong" here. There are a handful of cartridges that can be fired in guns chambered for their big brother: Running 44Mag rounds through a 444 is NOT ONE OF THEM! :eek:

I'm still fuzzy on what you're trying to accomplish? You want to prove the other guy is lying about the accuracy he's getting? You want to shoot reduced recoil loads in your 444? Key hole marks on a target are typical of a bullet not stabilizing well; either the rate of twist in the 444 barrel, or the velocity from your 44Mag loads, are not spinning the bullet properly. The fact that they are likely entering the rifling at an absurd angle can't help much, either! I shudder to think what this is doing to the leade in the throat of your barrel...
 

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Now what exactly is it going to do to the leade? It cannot possibly slam as hard as a full 444 bullet. So stop shuddering.:D

So what am I trying to prove? Nothing! I have already proven it. I does NOT work. So the Marlin 444 goes down the road (yes, I will sell it for more than the $300 I paid) and I go on to other adventures.

Now, I know from first hand knowledge, Whereas most of you only know from hearsay or "conventional wisdom" and you know how reliable that is. :rolleyes:

Thanks to Mike for the only sensible reply.



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If you search there has been lots of past conversation about this. I think I recall that the 44 cases are NOT safe to reload after firing in the 444.

Are you using the exact same bullet and load as the guy that's getting good groups? That will have a bearing on the outcome.

Not a reason to get rid of a 444 in my mind. They're quite a different animal than the 44 mag.

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You've proven something that, as you put it, "conventional wisdom" already knew. Whew...glad you cleared that up for us. ;)

If you are unclear as to how a bullet being misaligned when entering the throat of your chamber might be deleterious to accuracy, as well as causing potential damage, we cannot have a meaningful dialog. I wouldn't necessarily mention these little tests to the would-be buyer of your Marlin 444, else you might not get the money you're hoping to be paid.
 

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It would seem to me that the best chance for accuracy would be to try the exact same bullets as reported. Perhaps some are more tolerant of the jump to the throat? I don't know...
 

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Experimenting with ammunition in a firearm not designed for it is a sure way to get yourself on the list of honorees for the Darwin Award; those who take themselves out of the gene pool. You can come up with all kinds of reasons why you think it should work, but you won't have anyone to blame when it all goes wrong. I'll stick with 38 Specials in my 357 magnum.
 

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They say the definition of madness is doing the same thing twice and expecting a different outcome.
 

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I agree with Swany on this one. I wouldn't shoot 44 mag's in my 444, unless I was darn hungry and 44 mags were all I have. I have both a 444 and a 44 Mag, both are fairly accurate. I doubt very much that your friend who says he gets good accuracy shooting 44 mag in his 444 is being honest. Having that much freebore (at least an inch) ruins accuracy.
 

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I agree with Swany on this one. I wouldn't shoot 44 mag's in my 444, unless I was darn hungry and 44 mags were all I have. I have both a 444 and a 44 Mag, both are fairly accurate. I doubt very much that your friend who says he gets good accuracy shooting 44 mag in his 444 is being honest. Having that much freebore (at least an inch) ruins accuracy.
you'd think so, but what about the taurus judge? the 410 mag length chamber gives the 45 Colt bullet quite a bit of freebore too. Is that known to be detrimental to its performance with 45s??
 

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Yes, its abysmally inaccurate at distances beyond 7 yards. That has been well documented, and its no surprise.
 

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you'd think so, but what about the taurus judge? the 410 mag length chamber gives the 45 Colt bullet quite a bit of freebore too. Is that known to be detrimental to its performance with 45s??
The inaccuracy of the Judge with .45 Colt ammo is due more to the shallow riflings (so as to not completely scatter fine shot) than it is due to the freebore. Guns with a substantial amount of freebore can be nasty accurate. Weatherby rifles in Weatherby calibers all have freebore.

Beyond that, though, I don't honestly have enough knowledge of interchangability to recommend or squash your idea of the .44's in a .444.
 

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Yes, its abysmally inaccurate at distances beyond 7 yards. That has been well documented, and its no surprise.

Not necessarily true Matt. A friend bought a Judge with the 3" cylinder. Two weeks ago we took it out for the first time. Shooting Ultra-Max .45 cowboy loads, I was consistantly hitting clay pigeons at 25 yards. Previously shooting at a target at the same range it was printing 5" high and about 2" to the right, just had to hold to the right spot....All shooting was offhand.
 
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