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Well this is a follow on to the Timber carbine thread. Now that I have a .444 and have read Marshals .444 articles what weight bullets do I use up here in Alaska. I run the chance of meeting big bears and moose here. Now do I try and use that same bullet for our little 110lb deer? The weights available with the widest meplat(.340) are from 265 gr to 405 gr. Although I noticed Marshalls favorites don't have the wides meplat. A little smaller meplat provides better tojectories but less wound channels. A deer might not care about that (wound channel) but a bear or moose may.  So which to choose? Your opinions please.
 

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Good choice of caliber! I´ve shot elk (European) with factory loaded 240 and 265gr bullets (Remington) with good effect. The bullets expanded to +50 cal and made nice wound channnels. I use the same ammo on whitetails to the same effect. I´d say that the 265gr would be OK for black bear but I´d want a heavier bullet for grizzly and moose. I don´t have any experience on either animal so this is my opnion only. I´m looking into reloading for 300gr bullets, a bullet that should be OK on bigger animals. A 400gr bullet sounds heavy in a .444 -then again I haven´t seen it used. Good luck and keep me posted on your results.
 

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FA18CUB, If you hand load try cast performance bullets in 320 gr. I load them at 47 gr. of H322. Great bone crushers. You can go up to 49 gr. but it is the max load for this bullet. Moose are not that hard to kill, most of the time when they are shot, they will lay down right away. Now bear you want some thing hard hitting and good penetration. First and most important, shot placement. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
 

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Any of LBT designs in .44 cal should work fine on deer when shot out of a .444.  The WFN makes a heck of a wound channel - from a handgun.  The added velocity from the .444 rifle more than makes up for a slightly smaller meplat of the LFNs, in terms of wound channel.  Make sense?  

I'd just settle on whatever load you need for the worst critter you might come across, and figure it'll be good enough for the rest.  If it'll kill a grizz... surely it'll do the same on a skinny whitetail.

Haven't shot any bears so will have to leave exact  recommendation to the experts.  First and foremost, whatever bullet you shoot, it has to feed reliably and meet your accuracy requirements, of course.
 

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Cub, are you going to just load up one weight and use for everything?  The only place I've hunted in southcentral and run across deer and moose in the same vicinity is the Cordova mainland area.  Of course deer and brownies co-exist in several places.
I don't know where you deer hunt, but here's what I've found.

Kodiak, Afognak, Montague Islands (have you ever noticed how ill tempered bears are on Montague?) I'd load for bear and lose a little deer meat.  Of course, Montague just opened to brownie hunting by permit only last year.

Hinchinbrook, Hawkins Islands and Cordova area mainland: toss up (I still carry the 338 instead of the 7x57 there).

Knight, Green and other islands (in PWS) I'd load for deer and not worry one bit.

I haven't hunted southeast so I don't know too much about that area.

I guess where you will be depends alot more on the bullet selection than what you are actually doing there, it does to me anyway.  Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
 

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I am planning on making several different loads. One for Big bears, one for deer, one for moose. The Bear load will be a heavy cast load for max penetration. Probably Marshals 325, 355 or 405 gr bullets. The deer and other game will get a mix of lighter expanding slugs and BTB hardcasts.  I have yet to see a bear on Montague  but I know they are there. I used my .45-70 GUide Gun and .30-06 there last year. The .444 will get to go there this yaer too. As will my .375 Win. BB.
 

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The south 1/3 of the island is pretty well populated with brownies.  Patton Bay area around to north of Macleod Harbor.  One is very, very large and mighty cantankerous.  One of the Native Corps owns a couple large blocks of land down there, so you can get some good info from them.  Tons of deer there.  Great fishing for salmon on most of the rivers and great halibut fishing off the outer banks.
 

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I hunted out of the Stump lake (Log Jam Bay cabin) for about two weeks last year. Never saw any bears.  Doesn't mean they didn't see me !!!!!!! That's why I like to have .45-70, .444, and heavy .30-06 loads when I go!
 

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Just picked up my Win M-94 Timber Carbine. I am a little disappointed it has the 1 in 38 twist. According to Marshalls article #III on the .444 I wont be using the heavy .405 gr bullets!  Have to see about Pac-Nor swapping me a 1 in 20 twist Barrel.
 
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