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Makes a mess of the barrel, but it will clean. the plastic one piece wads are a horrible fit inside a 45/70. A fiber wad over the powder helps, but I certainly don't use .410 data. Considering that the rifling is going to do-nut the pattern, there is no need to push the shot very hard when the max. range is going to be 5 to 10 yards.

Using a .457" round ball as a top wad...seated so 1/2 the ball is out of the case and crimped in place...doesn't do the pattern any good, but at least you get a .45 ball in the center of the do nut.
 
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