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I'd more or less made my mind up to get a 45/70 and my local gunshop had one in the miroku win 86. The one thing I dislike intensely is the crescent buttplate especially as it appears to be made of plastic.
I commented on this to the owner and he said well look at this 450 marlin with a ported barrel and recoil pad buttplate in win 94.
TBH the 94 ticked all the boxes except it's about $220 more (both guns are new btw).
Stuffed my dough back in my pants pocket and had to come home to look at the reloading data.
I'll be honest and say that most rounds will be fired at paper or steel targets and will be reloads using 250 grain bullets. The one thing that's confusing me is my lymans 49th edition quotes cast bullets sized at 0.457" for the 450 and sized at 0.458" for the 45/70 whereas my lees 2nd edition shows the bullet diameter (in saami spec) as 458 for both.
Which is the way to go.
Ammo costs including new cases are virtually the same for both cartridges.
 

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If you are reloading, it is pretty much a wash. Just make sure you can get cases and dies where you live. The powder choices are pretty well identical, and primers and bullets of course.

The choice to me would boil down to the handling qualities, amount of recoil you expect to generate, and also the additional noise that the porting will generate (and the recoil it will reduce, of course).

Sizing cast bullets... best to 'slug' your gun barrel and then choose as appropriate. Or, just try sizing in several different diameters, and see which one works best. It still comes down to the individual gun tolerances, no matter what was used in one reloading manual, or another. As an example that is only a little bit relevant, Marlins tend to run large throat/groove diameters, so if you were considering that brand in either chambering, you might well end up with 0.460" cast bullets in either chambering. But it would still be a 'try and see' type of proposition.

Good luck.....
 

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Looks like you have a choice to make, but cant go wrong with either in my opinion. 45-70 maybe a bit more common . Whatever one fits you the best. LOL
 

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Miroku made/makes the 86 in a shotgun style butt plate. It comes in steel, not plastic and you can put a good pad on it it you like. Do some looking around.
 

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I'd duck on any 450 Marlin, it is almost obsolete.

It is a unique round, the case can NOT be made from anything. So If you buy the 450 marlin rifle be sure to buy a lifetime supply of brass.

Look beyond your dealer, there are lots of lever action 45-70s on the market.
 

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Was that a 1886 with a plastic crescent buttplate? If so that’s gotta be new, I’ve never seen that before.
 

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I'd duck on any 450 Marlin, it is almost obsolete.

It is a unique round, the case can NOT be made from anything. So If you buy the 450 marlin rifle be sure to buy a lifetime supply of brass..
Ditto on this. Hornady made sure they were the only game in town for the brass when they designed the cartridge case.
 

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Veeman,
VERY NICE LEATHERWORK!
IT ALMOST MAKE ME WISH THAT i HAD NOT LEARNED TO SHOOT MY 1886 WITH CRESCENT BUTT PLATE.
 

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The Pachmayr Pad on the .450M is worth it. Plus, I think the one you're looking at may be a take-down rifle. I do prefer the looks of the '86, but still chose the .450M '94 Take-Down.
 

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Yes, Sevastopol, the one I am looking at is the 94 take down. Tonight I'm going to look at the take down in 45/70, it's a second hand gun apparently a small run were manufactured in error for the European market where driven boar is very popular.
It belongs to one of the club officials in a small club I belong to that tends to specialise in big bore rifles.
I know he has several including at least two original 1886 one in a larger cased chamber than the 45/70 ( I think it's a 45/90 and the other is in 38/55 which is a cracking gun).
If I can twist his arm to sell the take down I'll be quids in.
 

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There are some Winchester 1886 Extra Lights (Miroku) on Gun Broker. These have a shotgun butt. I have one and it's very well made.
 

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Then there's a bunch of single shot 45-70's out there if it's paper and steel you typically shoot at.
Reduced power loads with 300gr cast boolits are fun to shoot.
 

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I have a (Miroku) Winchester 1886 in .45-70. Love the rifle! Haven't shot it much from the bench, but shooting off-hand is comfortable and not a problem. I shoot reloads with 350 grain jacketed bullets at around 1800 F/S I would go for the 1886 in .45-70 and avoid the 450 Marlin
 

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Hi, thanks to all that replied. One of the reasons I'm going for a lever gun, as opposed to a single shot, is I plan on going on a wild boar drive in the new year (if my surgery is successful) and repeat shots are fast and furious. The other reason is I enjoy the cowboy action shooting and I can just about manage that with downloaded 45 cal cartridges.
 

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Hi, thanks to all that replied. One of the reasons I'm going for a lever gun, as opposed to a single shot, is I plan on going on a wild boar drive in the new year (if my surgery is successful) and repeat shots are fast and furious. The other reason is I enjoy the cowboy action shooting and I can just about manage that with downloaded 45 cal cartridges.
Boar hunting is fast and furious, a 45-70 not so much.;) I hope it turns out well for you.
 

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If you "intensely dislike" the crescent butt now, wait till you've fired a few from bench rest.
 
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