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What is a good all round bullet for the .450 Marlin? Just bought a nice used 1895M and looking for some suggestions. Also, what is a good powder to try?
 

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I have the 1895MR, the longer barreled Marlin and shoot cast bullets with it but I would think something like the Hornady 350-grain FP (#4503) would be a good choice. There are a lot of powders that will work with a cartridge like this, I ran it through QuickLoad and here is a list of choices that produce the greatest velocities.

Accurate 2015
Accurate 2200
Accurate 2230
ADI AR 2206
ADI AR 2207
ADI AR 2210
ADI AR 2219
ADI BM2
Alliant Reloder- 7
Alliant Reloder-10x
Alliant Reloder-12
Bofors RP1/NP
Hodgdon Benchmark
Hodgdon H322
Hodgdon H335
Hodgdon H4198
Hodgdon H4895
Kazan Sunar 308W
Lovex-D0731
Lovex-D0733
Lovex-D0832
Nitrochemie A/S 0300
Norma 200
PB Clermont PCL 507
PB Clermont PCL 508
Ramshot TAC
Ramshot X-Terminator
SF-033 fl
SNPE Vectan SP 10
Somchem S265
Somchem S321
Vihtavuori N120
Vihtavuori N130
Vihtavuori N530
Winchester 748
 

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We can't answer intelligently without knowing what "all-around" means to you. When I lived in Alaska an "all-around" bullet would have to kill moose and brownies. Here in Texas one would have to be able to handle a nigali. In many states, black bear would be the biggest target....

I too like the 350 Hornady, but the Speer or Nosler 300s would be fine if deer and black bear were the top targets. The 400 Speer is softer than the others, expands to a large diameter and recoils much more.

My favorite powders for the .450 and .45-70 have remained IMR4198 and IMR3031, with BlueDot for low-recoil loads.



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I picked up some RL-7 and some Speer 400gr bullets. Will also get some Hornady 350gr bullets. Seems H-322 is quite popular in the .450 with most bullet weights and so is RL-7.

I guess I should have elaborated more on "all rounder". Since I live in Alberta, we can encounter everything from deer up to grizzly. You never know what you might stumble upon when out in the bush up here, so it's always safe to bring enough gun :)

Ranchdog : Could you run the 400gr Speer and 350gr Hornady through QL with H-322 and RL-7 for me please?

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What is a good all round bullet for the .450 Marlin? Just bought a nice used 1895M and looking for some suggestions. Also, what is a good powder to try?
My multi-purpose load is a Speer 300gr FNHP over 57.0grs of H322 & WLR primer. Nearly 100% powder density. Chronoed 2130fps out of a 20" BLR. My stomper load is a 425gr BTB pildriver jr. over 51.5grs of H322. Chronoed 1900fps same rifle.
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450 Marlin
400 grain Speer FN seated to 2.520" COL
Hornady brass, 2.09" trim
CCI 200 primer
48.0 grains H322 START
52.5 grains compressed H322 MAXIMUM
Source: Hodgdon

450 Marlin
400 grain Speer FN seated to 2.525" COL
Hornady brass, 2.09" trim
CCI 200 primer
43.0 grains Reloder 7 START
47.0 grains Reloder 7 MAXIMUM
Source: Alliant Powder

450 Marlin
350 grain Hornady FP seated to 2.530" COL
Hornady brass, 2.09" trim
CCI 200 primer
53.0 grains H322 START
58.0 grains compressed H322 MAXIMUM
Source: Hodgdon

450 Marlin
350 grain Hornady FP seated to 2.535" COL
Hornady brass, 2.09" trim
WLR primer
51.5 grains Reloder 7 MAXIMUM
Source: Beartooth Bullets Load Swap
 

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I would agree that the Hornady 350 FP would make a good bullet. It is tougher than many of the 400 grainers, and still has enough weight to penetrate well. I have a friend that has taken black bear (2 I think) deer (a few..... tnis is NH after all), and one moose with his H&R Handi rifle using hot loads with the 350 RN. ( the fn is the same construction, and was designed for the .450 Marlin. ) You can get plenty of recoil to please you with that bullet. I shoot the 300 grain RCBS FN cast bullets in mine usually, and just cast a few more today.
 

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Ranchdog : Could you run the 400gr Speer and 350gr Hornady through QL with H-322 and RL-7 for me please?

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Ian
Here you go Ian, the data is attached. I used an OAL of 2.53" for the Hornady bullet and 2.52" for the Speer Bullet as that is what is suggested by the bullet manufacturers. If you need to use something shorter, this data is not valid! Maximum powder compression requested was 105%. Please heed the warnings in the file and use common, safe reloading practices.
 

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I live in Alaska, so for me all around has to handle everything from black bear to brown bear & moose.
I really like 420gr cast bullets, either from my RD mold, or from a local supplier. I run 50.0 gr of H322 for about 1825 in my 1895M, & very accurate. I may bump it up a bit but I'm not sure I need to.
 

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Vance,

Have you taken anything interesting with the TLC460-425-RF?

I've been working on some different ideas for load suggestions for my line of bullets, for my own use of course. Here is what I've come up with to present the data...

TLC460-425-RF & Marlin 1895G (45-70 Govt)

TLC460-425-RF & Marlin 1895MR (450 Marlin)
Michael, I have not. Just starting to play with it. I'll let you know if anything of interest happens in the spring!
The load you list on your chart with H-322 is signifigantly less powder than what I've been using with other 420s. Is that your recomended max?
 

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If your looking a good accurate & mild recoiling load you might consider 40.0 grs/ IMR-4198/ 300 grain HPFN. Velocity will be around 1,900 FPS and is powerful enough for Deer sized game.
 

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One .450 Marlin loading caveat:

If you're going to use the Remington 405gr SP bullet (which is an excellent all-around bullet), trim an extra .1" off the .450 Marlin brass and crimp in the front crimping groove. If you leave the cases their standard length, the bullet must be crimped over the shoulder at the nose and it makes a bulge in the loaded cases.

See the attached photo for details.
 

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BTW:

I have about 40 of these cases that i've trimmed shorter and I only use them for this bullet.

My favorite full power load with this bullet is 51.0 grains of H322, and I use my own cast lead bullets for reduced loads.
 

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I respectfully disagree Swampman. Among the Hodgdon powders, Varget will produce the lowest velocities in the 444 Marlin, 45-70 Govt. and 450 Marlin. Expect about a 15% loss in velocities over the best choices. Varget will leave the most powder unburnt, approximately 20% of the load! Not very efficient in the large cases.

The top Hodgdon choices for a 425-grain bullet are H335 & H322.
 

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Varget works great in just about all non-magnum rifle cartridges.

When you say "just about", do you mean all but a couple hundred of them? Case capacity, pressure, bullet weight, expansion ratio, etc...there are too many variables to make a statement like that. Even if the claim was Varget works great will just about all cartridges based on the '06 case, that would be too broad.

What cartridges do you find Varget works well for?
 
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