Since you asked... I don't see the advantage of filling the gap between the .44 Mag (or hot loaded .45LC) and the 45-70 if you have either. But, if I had neither then it would be a viable option with certain advantages over both. Too bad the Marlin 1894 action isn't strong enough to handle that round. That would be nearly perfect.
I suspect some folks might consider the combination of the .454 Casull revolver and lever action, versus the .45LC and 45-70, to be a better combination (or more convenient) because it would allow the interchange of bullets and brass or complete cartridge that the .45LC and 45-70 would not. This begs the issue of the .454 Casull not quite being the 45-70's equal.
I didn't mean the .45LC revolver. I was talking about rifles only. If you already have a pistol caliber RIFLE chambered in 44 rem mag OR in 45LC AND another levergun in 45-70 then I don't see the point of bridging the gap between the two with a third rifle in 454.
Having said that... If I had no other leverguns my dream rifle would be a stainless Marlin 1894 in 454 Casull with a 16" barrel.
No, Stranger, I've not even seen one, yet. I have handled the 44-40 and 44 Mag. guns, and thought well of them. I'm not altogether sure about the capabilities of the 454 guns. Only time and experience will tell. Heck, I'm still workin' on the older calibers like 33, 38-56, 45-70, 45-90, and so on. I'll probably never get to something like the 454. 'Ya never know, though.
Keep up the great posts, mike
Just got a chance to handle a 454 Puma at the gun shop. It looks solid and generally well made. The barrel and reciever flats are nicely polished and deeply blued. Some roughness and tool marks on the sides of the hammer. Did not get a chance to cycle the action (wire-tie wrapped by the store). There's a BIG recoil pad. Probably well needed. Felt like only 6.5 lbs. The stock and forearm are made from very dark, dense, grainless (and ugly) brazillian wood with a flat oil finish. It looks like that ugly dark wood on some of those old British SMLEs. The sights are utilitarian (no bead). The top of the bolt has that new Taurus safety on it just like the one on their new model 62 pump rimfires. The mag tube has a loading port just like a tube fed .22 but you can load from the loading gate too. It was fairly priced at $415 (northern calif).
All in all, I'm not sure if this rifle is on my menu.
Wow! I just finished chatting with six friends who are avid levergun men. At first they were determined come rain and high water to purchase a Puma .454 Casull. Now it is different. They have decided against it due in part to the fact that they don't believe it fills a niche. One even said, "Man, why do we need the .454 casull when we already have the capabilities of 'hot loading' the .45 Colt to near Casull power and velocity with a lot less pressure! And, if I want something hotter I will move up to the .444 or the .45-70. I don't believe the Puma .454 are gonna catch on like people think. Right now everybody on the Casull wagon, but within two years I believe the wagon will come apart." Strong language, huh? How many of us believe he's right?
I do not like that dark finish they put on the stock either. I have a Rossi 92 Puma(Rifleman) that has natural Brazilian hardwood. It is beautiful. I have a Legacy (Rossi) 92 with that dark finish. I also have a Winchester 1892(circa 1895) with "naturally aged" wood. They look the same. I think that Rossi is trying to give their rifles that classic look for the Cowboy shooters.
As for that dark classic finish. <!--emo&--><img src="http://shootersforum.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''><!--endemo--> I am slowly replacing the stocks with saddle ring style stocks in walnut. I am doing the same to my Winchester 94's. <a href="http://www.precisiongunstocks.com/" target='_blank'>http://www.precisiongunstocks.com/</a>
When I finally get around to it I plan on having one of my Rossi's rebarreled to 41Mag. Why? Because I do not have one. Maybe one in 38-40 too.
Yanqui, I've already checked with a Rossi gunsmith about having one of mine rebarreled to .38-40. I was told that .38-40 barrels for the Rossi carbines are non-existent at this point in time. Do you have a source for some? I would love to get one if they are available. The .38-40 would be fun to shoot.
I went and got mine today. I think I'm gonna like it just fine. As far as needing to fill a niche, I don't. I have a Marlin 1894 in .357 and .41 mag, an 1895 45-70, and a Browning 1885 in .454 Casull. So I really don't even need another .454 rifle. It was a choice between lever actions, either the .454 or a .45 colt. I chose the .454. I might not have the chance again. I'll probably still get the .45 colt eventually . I know me pretty well that way. Most of the guns I own I shoot only occasionally. Some I have just for collector's value. I do have my favorite shooters though that are on the range with me all the time.
I don't really beleive the Puma M92 .454 fills any gap that hasn't already been filled in a rifle, it's just the idea of the thing and it's another gun to perfect new loads for. That's where I have my fun.
It may actually be a bit more versatile than the 45-70 and .45 colt rifle combined, simply because of a wider range of available bullet weights both in manufactured bullets and bullet molds for a single gun. I'm not saying you can meet or beat max performance of a 45-70, but you can get 45-70 ballistics with bullet weights all the way up to 405 grains. (out of my Highwall. That round may be too long for the lever action)
I haven't shot it yet but it feels good. It weighs about six pounds and aiming is quick and instinctive. The trigger pull out of the box is good.
It looks good to me. Some people don't seem to like that dark wood with it's oil finish but I like that look. It's also easier to care for than some other finishes. All in all I believe it's a rifle worth having. If it doesn't catch on and they discontinue it in a year or two that, to me, is just one more reason to own it. Especially one of the first releases. PC
Sure, no problem. I didn't think about looking for a Rossi barrel in 38-40. That would be cheaper than having a barrel made. Here is the e-mail address and address for the company that acquired the parts from Interarms.
M & M Gunsmithing
204 S union St
Alexandria, VA 22314
703-739-9890 fax [email protected] (Mike McClellan)
But if that does not pan out then here is a web site that can help you out. The only thing is that to have them rebarrel will cost more than your rifle. But sometimes it is something you have to do.
Probably wait and see how long before one comes apart. Don't know what test loads were used. Don't know how many factory loads were tested, etc. Maybe in a year or so if the feedback is possitive. RKBA!
On Friday afternoon I dropped by the local shop to checkout my latest '86 Winchester which had just arrived via FedEx. While hangin' around I asked if he had seen the Puma 454. The answer was in the affirmative; he just happened to have one arrive. So, I had to take a look. Not a bad looking piece, nice deep bluing and dark wood, but, finished a little too glossy for me. The price is $319. Even though I've zero experience with the Casull, I'm kinda taken with it. It may be mine soon. After all, it is a levergun.
Very good price considering the power output! Hmmmm.... I may just have to come up with one. Probably all I'd ever shoot would be my 30,000CUP .45 Colt loads, nothing around here is mean enough to need more.
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