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I know the 7.62x39 shot out of the AK's and SKS are reputed to not be accurate but i have to say i totally disagree. Personally i have had great success with that round and with iron sights have done 2-3" groups at 100 yards with iron sights. My thoughts are the people who knock it just arent good shooters.. thoughts??
 

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Most 7.69X39 imported ammo just isn't pinpoint accurate due to components and Q/C. The round itself can be as good as any others as far as accuracy.
 

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As stated the 7.62x39 can be accurate.
Point here is what are the others that say the round isnt acurate considering good shooter.
It was just stated here 2 to 3 inch groups at 100 open sights.
Ok ill have to side with that being not so bad per open sights ect.
But then again if i had a rifle in any given cal that wouldnt put 5 shots at a 100 yards inside at least a dime if a .223 or say a 30-06 do it within a qaurter at same distance both using a good scope then that rifles got a home in my gun safe for praire doggin or say long range deer.
But then again 2 to 3 open sights would do any deer hunting at its reasonable range per the calibers capabilites when proper shot placement is done.
So what is considered a good group is in the eye of the poster and just might be more than enough in another reader and possibly gone down the road pc of crap in anothers eye.
Myself if 150 yards was my predicted range and open sights gave me 2 to 3 inches at 100 yards = Its a rifle up to the task.
I personaly would like 2 inch or less but truth being itll get the job done.
Boy i muddied the water with this posting didnt i ? :D
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I don't believe that any round is inherently more or less accurate than any other. If I were going to hunt anything with the 7.62x39mm I would have to use a bolt action or single shot since I live in Pennsylvania. I do have an SKS and I've tried some ammo, notably S&B and Lapua, that can shoot decent groups. Most steel-cased ammo however is 4 - 5 inch on a good day, and the American made ammo uses bullets that are a bit too small.

I don't see any reason why good quality ammo with the correct bullets wouldn't shoot well from a well made rifle. For the record my SKS is of Chinese manufacture. From what I've heard they tend to be hit or miss (pun intended) in the accuracy department. Mine shoots well enough that it would do what it was built to do.
 

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At some of the ranges I shoot at - most of the shooters would be tickled to death with 1.5" groups at 50 yards. Some at 25. With any cartridge and gun! :rolleyes:

I don't know why - but the shorter the barrel on a semi-auto - it seems the groups are exponentially worse. No matter what chambering.

Do think that has something to do with new shooters enamored with mall-ninja guns and the "look" but not really knowing much about actual shooting.

So.... can 7.62x39 be accurate? I'm sure it can. But most people shooting the stuff don't have a prayer of finding out.
 

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You all posted some great input about this! I am new to this site and forum and like it already.. seem like a lot of cool people here :)
 

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A few year back, I owned a Ruger Model 77 MKII in 7.62 X 39 m/m which was very accurate. The only issue I had with the rifle was it's chamber had a long throat, and if you used .308" bullets, you had to neck size your cases, or you would get misfires. The .310" bullet worked fine though. :) The bore dia. was .3095" inorder to use both .308" & .310" bullets.
 

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Many times accuracy can be greatly improved by switching ammo. For example, Winchester ammo shoots tighter groups in my SKS than Herter's or Wolf ammo.

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Trying to see an aspirin at 83 yards would give me a headache? :D
 

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Broom_jr if just trying to see the asperin at 83 yards would give you a headache = Then good news .
You can simply walk 83 yards pick up the asprin and swallow it .
Problem solved :D
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Well, 7.62x39 was the grandfather of the 6mm ppc and 22 ppc benchrest cartridges, so I don't think the round its self lacks for accuracy potential. However, SKS's and AK's are not inherently accurate firearms and the loose tolerances they were (intentionally) built to makes things worse.
 

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I read on another post 7.62x54r ammo was getting to the point of not being available in parts of the usa now.
Also that with the usa sanctions against russia that no more would be imported from russia ect.
But i did a google search and did find bulk cans yet for 90 dollars and free shipping ect and said in stock.
So how much longer is the qestion if its going to be in short supply.
Ok my point being here is i too was looking at the 7.62x39 round but was looking at buying the rifle for it in a bolt action which i believe would greatly improve the odds for accuracy.
But hows everyone else feel about the 7.62x39 ammo being available if this is now suposably happening with the 7.62x54r round ?
Anyone think the 7.62x39 rounds going to be tough to get if not jumped on right now to ensure adeqate supply to continue shooting the bolt action rifle if i should decide to buy one ?
That 7.62x39 round just has me by the ummm yeah and im really intriqued by it and think it a neat perfect round for close in say 150 yards on white tail deer.
Granted its a fmj slug but reloaded after fired with a good copper spire point would be the ticket.
Yes i know they have the double primer flash hole but there is a tool that uses hydraulic forces to decap it so you can reprime ect.
Id shoot the bulk ammo for plinking and reload with better slugs ect for hunting is my frame of mind.
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The SKS I had was fairly typical, nothing to right home about?, on the other hand the Ruger Mini 30 I had was an honest 1 1/2" gun, out grew my "need" for assault rifles and traded them off.
Met a older fellow once that was shooting a custom bolt 7.62x39, said the bore was 308 for better bullet selection, he claimed it was a real shooter with low recoil?, had no reason to doubt him?
 

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. . . a real shooter with low recoil...
Yes, the recoil is low. I think the bullets are 123 grains in mass and there ain't a lot of powder to be burned. Something like 30 grains, or so? I have only fired one or two rounds of 7.62 x 39 in a Ruger Mini-30. That was over 25 years ago. I never had any interest in owning a 7.62 x 39 rifle until about April 2007. I bought a milled-receiver Arsenal Arms SAS M-7 under-folder (Bulgarian origination), but it just sets in the closet. I've fired it forty times in seven-plus years. It's still in mint condition, not a scratch on it. I don't care for the overly-curved magazine nor for how cumbersome it is (for me, at least) in getting the empty magazine out and putting in a fresh one. So it just sets in its case, never to have the light of day descend upon it...
 

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It's interesting that the more things change, the more they are the same.

It was mentioned that the 7.62x39 was the grandfather of the PPC. It's son was the 5.6x39 (220 Russian) which became the father of the PPC. Not too many years ago, some Benchrest shooters went from the PPC back to the original 220 Russian which proved to be just as accurate as the PPC when good brass was used. And, naturally, what followed was some shooters going to the .30 PPC which is nothing more than the 7.62x39 in a match-quality case.

So, is the 7.62x39 an accurate cartridge? In a good barrel, with good brass, and a good bullet, you bet it is.:)

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I don't believe that any round is inherently more or less accurate than any other. If I were going to hunt anything with the 7.62x39mm I would have to use a bolt action or single shot since I live in Pennsylvania. I do have an SKS and I've tried some ammo, notably S&B and Lapua, that can shoot decent groups. Most steel-cased ammo however is 4 - 5 inch on a good day, and the American made ammo uses bullets that are a bit too small.

I don't see any reason why good quality ammo with the correct bullets wouldn't shoot well from a well made rifle. For the record my SKS is of Chinese manufacture. From what I've heard they tend to be hit or miss (pun intended) in the accuracy department. Mine shoots well enough that it would do what it was built to do.
1) Depends on where the AKs and SKSs come from. There is a difference in the way they're made
2) Also have a 7.62X39 bolt. It's a lot of fun and far more accurate than either an SKS or AK. Hand loading makes it even more accurate.
 

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Dimesize 5 shot groups with a 223. Maybe once a month. The present world record 5 shot group is I think .005" by Mike Stinnet in Texas. Mike shoots a 30PPC which is basically a 7.62x39 Ackley improved. Brass is 220 Russian fireformed to 30PPC. I have a 220 Russian,220Beggs version, being completed at this time. Gene Beggs found that changing the radius at the shoulder neck juncture fixed the 220 Russian's problem of the brass growing in length. Mine will be a Tin Can shooter and not a BR rifle.
My rifle was originally a 7.62X39 MiniMauser barreled receiver. I made it a 270X39AI. Basically a 270PPC. It was a wonderful kid's rifle with very little recoil. I decided to rebuild it completely. A foolish idea probably. It should be back from the stocker in about 2 weeks.




Kinda ugly right now, but I think you will like it later.
 
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