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Hi all, been awhile...my brother has a nagant, I have a turk mauser 8mm, both shoot very well. I just bought a rem 7mm mag and it shoots well too, (what a kick!) I know they are all very powerful weapons but which is more powerful...BTW his nagant looks like a brand new rifle...wierd.
 

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Using the traditional foot pounds of energy equation, which emphasizes velocity, the 7mm Rem Mag is a more powerful cartridge. If you use a different formula that gives more value to the diameter and mass of the bullet, they are much closer. The 7RM is going to be flatter shooting by a fair amount, but that would only be relevant at ranges exceeding 250 yards, or so.
 

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The 7.62X54R is fairly close to the .308 Winchester in factory heavy-bullet hunting loads. This load is certainly no slouch. The 8mm Mauser in it's full-power version (hard to find in factory ammo, but easy to handload) comes right close to the .30-06. The 7mm Mag. mainly provides not "power" but added range over the 7.62 and the 8 mm. Lighter, smaller-diameter bullet at faster velocities equals a flatter trajectory.


In an accurate rifle, in the hands of a skillful rifleman, any of them will take care of big game at ranges that most of us will never shoot.


As for looking brand-new -- not weird at all. The majority of these rifles have been arsenal-refinished to as-new condition. Some will have a slightly rougher bore than others, but most seem to be very good shooters.
 

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As others have said:
7.62x54R ~ .308Win
8x57 ~ .30-06

The old advertisement for the 7mm Rem Mag is that it hits as hard as a .30-06 but shoots as flat as a .270Win (that's with .270 in 130gr, 7mm in 150gr, and .30-06 in 180gr, iirc)
 

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7mmRM has em both beat with ease, but the other 2 are easy deer medicine if you can hit the target with good bullets.
 

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Thanks guys..as for my brother's nagants, he has two, a m44 and a 91/30. it's the 91/30 that looks brand new. It does have a refurbish mark on it. It looks so good I'm just going to have to get one! We went out shooting and we both were hitting coke cans at 100 yards without a single miss. The wind was howling too! We are both ex military and good shots, but I am so impressed with this rifle. The action is sweet too, unlike with his 44...I would love to see what it's capable of with a nice scope. Oh, one more thing, it hardly kicks at all...again, unlike his 44...
 

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7mmRM has em both beat with ease, but the other 2 are easy deer medicine if you can hit the target with good bullets.
At 250 yards, or less, there is no quantifiable difference between these three cartridges. It is not possible for something to be "deader", if killed with more ft/lbs of energy. Given the timeless debate between velocity and mass being more effective at killing big game, I'm not even sure the 7RM brings more to the table, at 250 and under. The only thing it definitely has is more power at truly long range...everything else is open to interpretation.
 

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Energy isn't much of anything to me, when good bullets are at your disposal. But I push my 7 a few times further than the 250 yards you mentioned, and wouldn't do the same with my 91/30 ;)
 

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If you're able to shoot accurately at "a few time further than...250 yards", then my hat's off to ya. I read that to mean you are hunting at 750 yards, which is way beyond my effective limit and obviously not what the OP's two cartridges are meant to do. My signature kinda says how I feel about it...
 

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Guns are way easy to hunt with any way you put it. Spend some time doing archery spot and stalk, and none of that silly sit-in-a-tree stuff over the heavily-traveled-trail if you want to feel the challenge. It's a satisfying pursuit.

Nonetheless, the rush doesn't stop my love of shooting guns at longer ranges, and the 7mm BCs lend obvious advantages before even pulling a trigger.
 

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Guns are way easy to hunt with any way you put it. Spend some time doing archery spot and stalk, and none of that silly sit-in-a-tree stuff over the heavily-traveled-trail if you want to feel the challenge. It's a satisfying pursuit.

Nonetheless, the rush doesn't stop my love of shooting guns at longer ranges, and the 7mm BCs lend obvious advantages before even pulling a trigger.
Well, I spend probably 5 days bow-hunting for every day with a gun, so I agree with you. Killing a deer with a gun, especially in the woodsy East, is more about filling the freezer than preparing for the next shoot at Camp Perry. I sold my 7RM...just no need for it here. I hunt deer with a 44/40 carbine in Indiana and a 270 Winchester when I'm out of state. Other than that, it's my PSE and pointy sticks. ;)
 

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or ft. Bragg...where I was stationed. I don't want to sound like im bragging, but I can shoot deer at 500 meters with the right rifle and ammo. Having said that.. can I do it with a 91/30, turk 8mm? Are they powerfull enough? I do bow hunt, and would hunt with a knife if I could...sounds fun..I don't care about horns...can't eat them! I hunt in northern Michigan, the deer are big and I can find some long range shots. I thought the 7.62x54r was way more powerful than the 308...and the 8mm.
 

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Other than that, it's my PSE and pointy sticks.
Me too....maybe someday I'll use those slingshots with a whisker biscuit on them. :D


Having said that.. can I do it with a 91/30, turk 8mm? Are they powerfull enough?I thought the 7.62x54r was way more powerful than the 308...and the 8mm.
I don't know...can you? Power is not the question at 550 yards for these rifles, with good bullets and appropriate shot placement. It's moreso how the rifle is set up (scopeless, unbalanced, etc). The 7.62x54r has a hair more juice than a 308.
 

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The Romanian PSL may look like a Dragonov but the only thing it has in comon is the caliber it shoots. Accuracy can vary widly From 4 MOA-1.5 MOA, its a fun rifle but no sniper rifle.
 

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Yes I can...with my 7mm mag. I guess all rounds mentioned are capable of dropping a deer at 500 meters. The psl just is'nt good enough for accuracy. Im going to get a rem 700 in 308 for deer and use my rem 700 7mm mag for bear. I'll still have lots of fun shooting cheap ammo through my turk 8 mm and I'm still getting a nagant 91/30, for the same.
 

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I have never met anyone that could make the shot on a deer at 500 meters with open sights...just wanted to know if after spending the money on glass, if the ammo was going to be capable...
 
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