I will surely give them a whirl. I need the brass for experimentation anyhow. Hope all works out well at this level for mulies. I specifically purchased the gun for elk in timber using a 300g + bullet as the bullet weight of choice if it will work. area I hunt is 50/50 open/ timbered. By the time 4 th season comes around here in November the local animals are kinda reluctant to peek out of the trees and the migratory animals have not been pushed to the lower altitudes. I will try to post back when i find a load it likes. thanks for the links