[scpaul]

I'm bored pretty much stuck at home. Trying to think of a wildcat to consider putting together as cheap as possible. I have a "junk drawer" of misc. bs. parts that might help. I've already built a modified 7/300 Practical that is badddd azzz. The damage it inflicts at 300+ yards is unbelievable with a BT. I'd like to build something a little more reasonable and can't think of much of anything reasonable. I'm thinking 6m min. to .30/32 max. I'd like it to work out to 400 yds, 500 if you shoot it like a howitzer. I have most cases, dies (fairly common ones anyway) and caliber bullets. I can't really come up with anything reasonable that hasn't ben done. I don't want a fly swatter or an elephant gun.
With the brain trust here I figure someone has thought about this themselves. Lets se what you got, no .22 Earsplittenloundboomers please, although I would like to shot it one time, if my shoulder would take it. I MIGHT be willing to gamble. It night be worth it, after all.
Let me hear a variety of thoughts. I'm looking forward to this.
scpaul

 

[shreck]

What rifle are you thinking about using .

cheers

 

[357Mag]

I'm bored pretty much stuck at home. Trying to think of a wildcat to consider putting together as cheap as possible. I have a "junk drawer" of misc. bs. parts that might help. I've already built a modified 7/300 Practical that is badddd azzz. The damage it inflicts at 300+ yards is unbelievable with a BT. I'd like to build something a little more reasonable and can't think of much of anything reasonable. I'm thinking 6m min. to .30/32 max. I'd like it to work out to 400 yds, 500 if you shoot it like a howitzer. I have most cases, dies (fairly common ones anyway) and caliber bullets. I can't really come up with anything reasonable that hasn't ben done. I don't want a fly swatter or an elephant gun.
With the brain trust here I figure someone has thought about this themselves. Lets se what you got, no .22 Earsplittenloundboomers please, although I would like to shot it one time, if my shoulder would take it. I MIGHT be willing to gamble. It night be worth it, after all.
Let me hear a variety of thoughts. I'm looking forward to this.
scpaul

scpaul -

Howdy !

I like to wildcat, and for my latest chambering; I wanted to arrive @ a wildcat taylored to my needs, along w/ the performance & accuracy I wanted...... but w/o all of the often associated wildcatting costs.

For my shooting, I wanted a wildcat that would cover both varmint & target work, and also give me a valid 1,000yd capability. I like to shoot groundhogs, which was a natural fit w/ my experiences as a NE Indiana farm boy.

My first wildcat was .35 Remington necked -down to .224" calibre ( " .22-35 Remington " ), which I designed to give me more terminal performance capability than the .22-250s I had been shooting.
I wanted to cover ranges out to 500 yd using a 55gr varmint bullet, and went with a 24" SS Hart 1-14.
Later....I also tried .22-35 chambered in a 28" SS K & P 1-8, shooting Hornady 75 "A"-Max exclusively in it. While the rifle / cartridge did provide 1,000 varmint/target capability, my aging eyes compelled me to design a new 6mm wildcat; to address my updated shooting needs.

To save money, I considered the use of a chamber reamer for an existing 6mm cartridge, and simply have the ' smith run the reamer in " short "; to provide me w/ my new wildcat... as-long-as it would have sufficient case capacity. I quickly settled on use of a 6mm Remington reamer, and specified that it be run into the barrel, until a nominal .466" base diam was achieved. This allowed me to use 7 X 64 Brenneke brass, which is .308 bolt face compatible; and ' " rimless ". 7 X 64 has the .466" base diam required for my wildcat. So.... NO custom chamber reamer required !

I call the wildcat " DEEP 6 ", as it derives its case capacity via the classic method.... by being long enough. This means a " deep " powder columne compared to the newer short/ fat cases; hence the moniker " DEEP 6 ". I simply used a frustrum off the 6mm Remington " cone ", skewered the base diam..... and DEEP 6 practically designed itself.

Deep 6 has the same long V-L-D friendly neck the 6mm Remington has, and the same easy-to-form
26* shoulder angle. That shoulder angle results in a lot of powder space contained within the shoulder area, while the long neck keeps the powder combustion " turbulence point " inside the neck; to aid in longer barrel life.

I case form with a stock ( LEE ) 6.5 X 55 Swedish FL die that has its internals removed, to make the die open-topped. So... NO custom case forming die set required !

* I DO anneal new 7 X 64 brass, before starting the case forming process *

I also use a " perch " made with a .308 shellholder, and a 1/4-20 flat headed shoulder bolt w/ head diam < .466". The perch is snapped into the arbor of the press ( Rock chucker is what I used ), and press arm operated to advance the case up-into the " forming " die. Excess brass extrudes out the top of the die, as the shoulder is shoved downward to a lower point on the case sidewall.

Newly-formed DEEP 6 cases emerge from the forming die in near-net shape. Cases are rough cut-off for length, then detail trimmed to final case OAL desired. Cases are inside neck reamed and outside neck turned, to arrive @ final neck wall thickness and calibre ( 6mm ) desired.

I load / re-load DEEP 6 using stock 6mm Remington dies. So... NO custom re-size reamer to buy !
as NO custom re-loading dies are required ! I use a Hornady shoulder bump / bushing neck size die.
I have not had to at any point... FL size my cases. I seat bullets using a Hornady " universal-style " bullet seater. So... NO custom re-loading dies to buy !

DEEP 6 accuracy and deliverable energy @ distance are exactly as I wanted, and we're achieved while controlling wildcatting costs !

Since DEEP 6 is formed utilizing the bottom portion of the 7 X 64 parent case, the resulting wildcat cases are very robust. I have cases still in-use, that have over 30 firings on them.

I'll send along a pic of a DEEP 6 cartridge, which shows a Sierra 95 T-MK seated.
I have shot both IMR7828 and RL-22 ( mostly the latter ), but am doing range work lately, using
RL-23, RL25; and RL-26. Max load using the latter powder is 44.4gr, w/ powder right up against the base of the bullet. I want to use a temp stable powder that gives me high load density, safe pressures; and superb accuracy. I am using FED Large Magnum Rifle Match primers.

Please note:
Pics are out-of-sequence, w/ initial case forming step w/ the 6.5 X55 , the " perch ", the
Rockchucker press; and a sample annealed 7 X 64 case shown atop the perch further down in the pic columne. I apologize !!


With regards,
357Mag

 

[scpaul]

What rifle are you thinking about using .

cheers

I have a small ring Spanish Mauser converted to .308 actually .308 CETME (?) by the Spanish Armory, I think and marked .308 win. By importer (Interarms?) and an old Rem. 78 '06 that the action is in good shape, I also have a sporterized K98m48, still 8mm. I could come up with more if I had more time to think about it. I could make trades if needed.
Within reason I'm open to most things.
Paul

What rifle are you thinking about using .
Paul
cheers

 

[357Mag]

I have a small ring Spanish Mauser converted to .308 actually .308 CETME (?) by the Spanish Armory, I think and marked .308 win. By importer (Interarms?) and an old Rem. 78 '06 that the action is in good shape, I also have a sporterized K98m48, still 8mm. I could come up with more if I had more time to think about it. I could make trades if needed.
Within reason I'm open to most things.
Paul

SC -

Howdy !

I responded to your post, thinking that you wanted to form cases....and then have chambered-up a new wildcat yourself.... using your own gun. I apologize for my misunderstanding.
My rifle is already set-up to be a great match for my shooting needs, and uses a bench-rest grade single shot bolt action.

None-the-less..... best of luck in your endeavors !


With regards,
357Mag

 

[scpaul]

SC -

Howdy !

I responded to your post, thinking that you wanted to form cases....and then have chambered-up a new wildcat yourself.... using your own gun. I apologize for my misunderstanding.
My rifle is already set-up to be a great match for my shooting needs, and uses a bench-rest grade single shot bolt action.

None-the-less..... best of luck in your endeavors !


With regards,
357Mag

You misunderstand, I don't have a problem with a complete rechambering, I'm just giving you an idea of what I have and the clambering as an idea of their strength. My modified 7/300 took about a year and a half.
I may have to go slow due to funds, but I'm interested as long as we aren't talking about a $2k action. Give me your suggestions and they might fit or not.
Thank you, Paul

I have a small ring Spanish Mauser converted to .308 actually .308 CETME (?) by the Spanish Armory, I think and marked .308 win. By

I'm bored pretty much stuck at home. Trying to think of a wildcat to consider putting together as cheap as possible. I have a "junk drawer" of misc. bs. parts that might help. I've already built a modified 7/300 Practical that is badddd azzz. The damage it inflicts at 300+ yards is unbelievable with a BT. I'd like to build something a little more reasonable and can't think of much of anything reasonable. I'm thinking 6m min. to .30/32 max. I'd like it to work out to 400 yds, 500 if you shoot it like a howitzer. I have most cases, dies (fairly common ones anyway) and caliber bullets. I can't really come up with anything reasonable that hasn't ben done. I don't want a fly swatter or an elephant gun.
With the brain trust here I figure someone has thought about this themselves. Lets se what you got, no .22 Earsplittenloundboomers please, although I would like to shot it one time, if my shoulder would take it. I MIGHT be willing to gamble. It night be worth it, after all.
Let me hear a variety of thoughts. I'm looking forward to this.
scpaul

Hay, come on people. Surely someone out there has a fairly fresh idea for a wildcat.
I've been thinking about a mid size case 6m, 30
(Interarms?) and an old Rem. 78 '06 that the action is in good shape, I also have a sporterized K98m48, still 8mm. I could come up with more if I had more time to think about it. I could make trades if needed.
Within reason I'm open to most things.
Paul

Whichever is the best fit for the project. I'm thinking a midsize case,6mm,308, 06, etc. with a bullet in the 100-170 gr. area. Maybe cutting a case down and trying a different cal./weight bullet. Anybody?

 

[carpooler]

Several interesting older cartridges can be sneaked into those Yugo 48’s. They are really wildcats without the labels. You won’t find factory ammo anytime soon, so reform cases from something which should be available in the coming decade?? 6.5mm Rem Mag. made from Nosler 350 Mag virgin brass is a wildcat in every way except for ordering dies. On point??? Mucho short mag parent brass will become unobtainable by 2025 if the Dem Progresives win Congress in the next go.

 

[scpaul]

Several interesting older cartridges can be sneaked into those Yugo 48’s. They are really wildcats without the labels. You won’t find factory ammo anytime soon, so reform cases from something which should be available in the coming decade?? 6.5mm Rem Mag. made from Nosler 350 Mag virgin brass is a wildcat in every way except for ordering dies. On point??? Mucho short mag parent brass will become unobtainable by 2025 if the Dem Progresives win Congress in the next go.

My K98m48 Mauser shoots 8×57 Mauser, and pretty well at that. I think that you are thinking of another weapon. I bought it new in cosmoline from Mitchell's Mausers about 15-20 years ago in the box with all the accessories incuding leather pieces. I do appreciate the response. Any other ideas will be appreciated.
Paul

What rifle are you thinking about using .

cheers

Off hand I have a Spanish Mauser converted to.308 by the Spanish arsenal marked for .308 Win. but I think that it's actually for a .308 CETME, which is a NATO 7.62 x 51 at about 1/2 to 2/3 power of a .308. Ialso have an old 06 Rem. action and a K98m48 8mm Mauser. If.needed I can trade or buy another action as long as it's not one of these new HIGH dollar ones.
Thanks, Paul

 

[scpaul]

I was thinking, how about a straight walled case stretched longer than a 30 carbine but in a caliber something like a 270, 6.5, 7mm, etc. I think that the hunters in the states that require straight walled cases would find it interesting. I haven't done any research or calculations re: velosity, ballistics, basic brass, or anything else.
Any ideas as to which brass would be easiest to obtain and use if I go this way?
Thoughts?, Paul

 

[carpooler]

The M 48 action is mid length vs. standard M 98. My exam showed they shortened these receivers from the magazine box, forwards. Mag feeding must be critical compared to M 98s. If you want cheap?? forget standard 3.340” cartridges. If you want available, forget 284 Win., and RCM based rounds.

 

[scpaul]

The M 48 action is mid length vs. standard M 98. My exam showed they shortened these receivers from the magazine box, forwards. Mag feeding must be critical compared to M 98s. If you want cheap?? forget standard 3.340” cartridges. If you want available, forget 284 Win., and RCM based rounds.

Thank you, I wasn't aware of the difference. Since both shot 8m Mauser, I thought that the receiver areas were very similar and would chamber pretty much the same ctgs.
Paul

 

[357Mag]

I was thinking, how about a straight walled case stretched longer than a 30 carbine but in a caliber something like a 270, 6.5, 7mm, etc. I think that the hunters in the states that require straight walled cases would find it interesting. I haven't done any research or calculations re: velosity, ballistics, basic brass, or anything else.
Any ideas as to which brass would be easiest to obtain and use if I go this way?
Thoughts?, Paul

scpaul -

Howdy !

If you were to opt for .40, .410; or even .411" calibre, a straight-walled case could be made based off .35 Remington; and a .416" cal off 7 X 64 Brenneke.


With regards,
357Mag

 

[scpaul]

scpaul -

Howdy !

If you were to opt for .40, .410; or even .411" calibre, a straight-walled case could be made based off .35 Remington; and a .416" cal off 7 X 64 Brenneke.


With regards,
357Mag

I like the idea. Is there a smaller diameter case that you know of? I'd like to keep the caliber smaller so that hopefully I can keep the velocity and better. A 35, 40, 41, or 45 cal. projectile isn't quite what I'm thinking. There were many of them years ago.
I'm thinking of the same idea but in a smaller caliber. Say 6.5, 270, 7mm, maybe even larger but I'm thinking easy, cheap and mid range, higher efficiency per grain of powder.
Your idea would work, but I don't think that I want to launch a 7/8 ounce piece of lead with enough velocity to be deadly at 300 yards and the trajectory to be reasonably flat that far out.
Paul

 

[357Mag]

I like the idea. Is there a smaller diameter case that you know of? I'd like to keep the caliber smaller so that hopefully I can keep the velocity and better. A 35, 40, 41, or 45 cal. projectile isn't quite what I'm thinking. There were many of them years ago.
I'm thinking of the same idea but in a smaller caliber. Say 6.5, 270, 7mm, maybe even larger but I'm thinking easy, cheap and mid range, higher efficiency per grain of powder.
Your idea would work, but I don't think that I want to launch a 7/8 ounce piece of lead with enough velocity to be deadly at 300 yards and the trajectory to be reasonably flat that far out.
Paul

SCpaul -

Howdy, again.

I do understand your basic idea.

The challenge of course, is the lack of existing straight-all cases in the calibres you have in-use.

IF you could get ahold of a copy of " Cartridges of the World " or an on-line version of similar; it would become very evident really quickly, that these smaller calibre cases/cartridges are I modern times arrived @ via use of a " bottle necked " case. Do an excessive by adding say .024" to the bullet diam being considered... and see if there is any straight-walled case that exists for you intended use.
.012" neck wall ( case side wall ) thickness @ the bullet seated area would give one .024" total increase in case mouth OD, when considering cases in 2D side view.

Beyond that, things like the rim diam and rifle actions that would work with the necessary rim diam
( feed, extract, eject ) would be of course... a key consideration.

The larger calibres you mentioned might not be as untenable as you might think. You could perhaps use brass or copper bullets ( w/o lead ) to reduce bullet throw wt. These bullets are comparatively long for their wt per calibre. I shoot Cutting Edge' .358" cal extended range " Raptor " turned brass bullets for use in my M-336 XLR .35Remington.

The lighter... more aerodynamic plastic-tipped brass hollow point helps to boost target engagement range. The above bullet is just stupid accurate in my gun / my loads ( IMHO ).


With regards,
357Mag

 

[Im2Tall2Play2!]

SCPaul,

One idea I have been cogitating (sp?) a while, a .22 but not an earsplittenloudenboomer. A couple of .22LR shortages ago I started wondering if there was a centerfire alternate in a .22 diameter. I was thinking along the lines of maybe a .38 spl shortened & necked down?

I don't have access to my old copies of catalogs of various wildcats so this may be an old idea. I did a search here & went thru about 10 of 25+ pages & found nothing.

Best of luck in your endeavors!!!

 

[scpaul]

SCpaul -

Howdy, again.

I do understand your basic idea.

The challenge of course, is the lack of existing straight-all cases in the calibres you have in-use.

IF you could get ahold of a copy of " Cartridges of the World " or an on-line version of similar; it would become very evident really quickly, that these smaller calibre cases/cartridges are I modern times arrived @ via use of a " bottle necked " case. Do an excessive by adding say .024" to the bullet diam being considered... and see if there is any straight-walled case that exists for you intended use.
.012" neck wall ( case side wall ) thickness @ the bullet seated area would give one .024" total increase in case mouth OD, when considering cases in 2D side view.

Beyond that, things like the rim diam and rifle actions that would work with the necessary rim diam
( feed, extract, eject ) would be of course... a key consideration.

The larger calibres you mentioned might not be as untenable as you might think. You could perhaps use brass or copper bullets ( w/o lead ) to reduce bullet throw wt. These bullets are comparatively long for their wt per calibre. I shoot Cutting Edge' .358" cal extended range " Raptor " turned brass bullets for use in my M-336 XLR .35Remington.

The lighter... more aerodynamic plastic-tipped brass hollow point helps to boost target engagement range. The above bullet is just stupid accurate in my gun / my loads ( IMHO ).


With regards,
357Mag

I do have a copy of Ctg/World. I was hoping that there was something short of turning brass or silver soldering the case together. I hadn't thought of the nonferrous metals. I'm not wild about them but it bay be the only answer. I really would love to keep the magazine capacity and velocity of the smaller bores but that may not be a possibility. There are sabots but I'm not really interested in them either.
It seems that the guys in the straight walled case states would have addressed this already other than big pistol ctgs. In carbines or rifled slugs.
I knew it wouldn't be easy or it would've already been done. Thanks for your thoughts, but, I ain't givin' up just yet.
Could an existing case be sleeved ? I'd still lose ctg. Capacity but the pressure in the case could be increased some. Just spit balling.
Paul

SCPaul,

One idea I have been cogitating (sp?) a while, a .22 but not an earsplittenloudenboomer. A couple of .22LR shortages ago I started wondering if there was a centerfire alternate in a .22 diameter. I was thinking along the lines of maybe a .38 spl shortened & necked down?

I don't have access to my old copies of catalogs of various wildcats so this may be an old idea. I did a search here & went thru about 10 of 25+ pages & found nothing.

Best of luck in your endeavors!!!

I thought of .22 cal pellets for projectiles at low speed in a pistol round case. But that's as far as I got. I just bought another Beeman pellet rifle. The .22 cal might surprise you, it sure did me. Night and day vs. .177.

 

[357Mag]

I do have a copy of Ctg/World. I was hoping that there was something short of turning brass or silver soldering the case together. I hadn't thought of the nonferrous metals. I'm not wild about them but it bay be the only answer. I really would love to keep the magazine capacity and velocity of the smaller bores but that may not be a possibility. There are sabots but I'm not really interested in them either.
It seems that the guys in the straight walled case states would have addressed this already other than big pistol ctgs. In carbines or rifled slugs.
I knew it wouldn't be easy or it would've already been done. Thanks for your thoughts, but, I ain't givin' up just yet.
Could an existing case be sleeved ? I'd still lose ctg. Capacity but the pressure in the case could be increased some. Just spit balling.
Paul

I thought of .22 cal pellets for projectiles at low speed in a pistol round case. But that's as far as I got. I just bought another Beeman pellet rifle. The .22 cal might surprise you, it sure did me. Night and day vs. .177.

SCpaul

Howdy, again !

Yeh.... the smaller cal straight-wall cases ( what few there were ) pretty much went away; as BP also faded from mainstream use.

A really long / straight powder columne is not the best configuration for best powder ignition / burning.

The idea of sleeving an existing case would present the challenge of how to put bullet retention tension on the case; via case sizing.

The 7 X 33 Sako has the case LG that it does, because post-WWII.... it was the longest case draw the machinery they ( Finland ) had could make; using the 9mm base / rim size as the baseline for the design.

When you consider that .32", 30", and 25" cal auto cases are pretty much the next increments down from a straight-wall 9mm case's OD; there does not appear to be much of anything readily available to suite' as the parent case for your theoretical wildcat.

Beyond that, such small calibres and their associated case ODs would call into question the likely resulting case capacities ? Given the reduced case capacity of the straight wall wildcat vs a bottle-necked wildcat of the same cal.... the obvious question then becomes " what would the new wildcat be used for ? "

Thinking out loud.... you got a
bullet.... a powder charge.... and an ignition source, then...... would it be possible to doing something via the old school " paper cartridge " route' ? THAT would eliminate the need for use of some custom-made; or else an otherwise obscure metallic case. If workable, such a cartridge would drive / limit rifle' design and configuration.

Or... skip the powder containment via a cartridge, and shoot loose powder in the chamber ala' the
1853 Sharps. This would be a breech loader.

Won't even speculate on going w/ a steel case, or some new age composite case.
And, it doesn't sound like you intend to go w/ a muzzle loader.
The " case less " stuff is just too exotic for a civilian to tackle w/ an independent design.


With regards,
357Mag

 

[scpaul]

SCpaul

Howdy, again !

Yeh.... the smaller cal straight-wall cases ( what few there were ) pretty much went away; as BP also faded from mainstream use.

A really long / straight powder columne is not the best configuration for best powder ignition / burning.

The idea of sleeving an existing case would present the challenge of how to put bullet retention tension on the case; via case sizing.

The 7 X 33 Sako has the case LG that it does, because post-WWII.... it was the longest case draw the machinery they ( Finland ) had could make; using the 9mm base / rim size as the baseline for the design.

When you consider that .32", 30", and 25" cal auto cases are pretty much the next increments down from a straight-wall 9mm case's OD; there does not appear to be much of anything readily available to suite' as the parent case for your theoretical wildcat.

Beyond that, such small calibres and their associated case ODs would call into question the likely resulting case capacities ? Given the reduced case capacity of the straight wall wildcat vs a bottle-necked wildcat of the same cal.... the obvious question then becomes " what would the new wildcat be used for ? "

Thinking out loud.... you got a
bullet.... a powder charge.... and an ignition source, then...... would it be possible to doing something via the old school " paper cartridge " route' ? THAT would eliminate the need for use of some custom-made; or else an otherwise obscure metallic case. If workable, such a cartridge would drive / limit rifle' design and configuration.

Or... skip the powder containment via a cartridge, and shoot loose powder in the chamber ala' the
1853 Sharps. This would be a breech loader.

Won't even speculate on going w/ a steel case, or some new age composite case.
And, it doesn't sound like you intend to go w/ a muzzle loader.
The " case less " stuff is just too exotic for a civilian to tackle w/ an independent design.


With regards,
357Mag

P

SCpaul

Howdy, again !

Yeh.... the smaller cal straight-wall cases ( what few there were ) pretty much went away; as BP also faded from mainstream use.

A really long / straight powder columne is not the best configuration for best powder ignition / burning.

The idea of sleeving an existing case would present the challenge of how to put bullet retention tension on the case; via case sizing.

The 7 X 33 Sako has the case LG that it does, because post-WWII.... it was the longest case draw the machinery they ( Finland ) had could make; using the 9mm base / rim size as the baseline for the design.

When you consider that .32", 30", and 25" cal auto cases are pretty much the next increments down from a straight-wall 9mm case's OD; there does not appear to be much of anything readily available to suite' as the parent case for your theoretical wildcat.

Beyond that, such small calibres and their associated case ODs would call into question the likely resulting case capacities ? Given the reduced case capacity of the straight wall wildcat vs a bottle-necked wildcat of the same cal.... the obvious question then becomes " what would the new wildcat be used for ? "

Thinking out loud.... you got a
bullet.... a powder charge.... and an ignition source, then...... would it be possible to doing something via the old school " paper cartridge " route' ? THAT would eliminate the need for use of some custom-made; or else an otherwise obscure metallic case. If workable, such a cartridge would drive / limit rifle' design and configuration.

Or... skip the powder containment via a cartridge, and shoot loose powder in the chamber ala' the
1853 Sharps. This would be a breech loader.

Won't even speculate on going w/ a steel case, or some new age composite case.
And, it doesn't sound like you intend to go w/ a muzzle loader.
The " case less " stuff is just too exotic for a civilian to tackle w/ an independent design.


With regards,
357Mag

I have dog eared my Cartridge Conversion book looking for anything that could be cut, sized, lathed, etc. and am coming up dry took (Dammit).
I was looking for something like a Rook Rifle on steroids without increasing the caliber too much.
I'm not much on deer hunting with a lever gun because at those type of distances I like to head shoot. I have enough racks unless a Caribou steps out. They did put them back in the Appalachians but I doubt that I'll see one, on his feet anyway.
Don't want no B.P. Way too much trouble, been there done that.
If I had good Savsge 99 this would be pretty much a moot point, but, they ain't cheap, atleast not in any shape.
I don't give up easy, so keep thinking. I have that small ring Mauser just begging to be used again. It does feel like it would be handy.
I guess that I could just load some CETME rounds. BUT that's too easy.
Ya'll keep this thinking. I don't have much else to do right now.
Thanks, Paul

 

[357Mag]

P

I have dog eared my Cartridge Conversion book looking for anything that could be cut, sized, lathed, etc. and am coming up dry took (Dammit).
I was looking for something like a Rook Rifle on steroids without increasing the caliber too much.
I'm not much on deer hunting with a lever gun because at those type of distances I like to head shoot. I have enough racks unless a Caribou steps out. They did put them back in the Appalachians but I doubt that I'll see one, on his feet anyway.
Don't want no B.P. Way too much trouble, been there done that.
If I had good Savsge 99 this would be pretty much a moot point, but, they ain't cheap, atleast not in any shape.
I don't give up easy, so keep thinking. I have that small ring Mauser just begging to be used again. It does feel like it would be handy.
I guess that I could just load some CETME rounds. BUT that's too easy.
Ya'll keep this thinking. I don't have much else to do right now.
Thanks, Paul

SC -

Howdy, once again !

Take a look @ the Buffalo Arms website, and checkout the brass cases the do or did have available.
You will see some smaller diam ( smaller than .25ACP case diam ) brass in a couple of different calibres.

There has been in the past some interest is what was basically be a CF alternative to the .22RF.

Searches on-line show the Charles Askins wildcatted 5.5 Kolibri to a point where it could be shot as a replacement for .22RF. He used 1gr of powder for close range target work.

The fact that the small diam stuff is mostly clustered around .22" cal, is testimony to the fact that such small diam ( small case capacity ) cartridges would only be practical for use on small game or varmints @ close range. The " .22 Maynard Extra long " had comparatively small base diam. It also used a smaller diam " O " primer, which is not available today.


I did read a blurb about a dude that swaged-down .25ACP cases to make a small diam case.
The small diam would/will drive the necessary use of a rimmed case ( IMHO )

I did not look at all of Buffalo's offerings, but did see they offered at some point... a " .28-30 ".
That might be close to a 7mm in calibre ?

But again... resulting case capacities of the smaller diam straight-wall cases would limit their applicability and usefulness ; esp on something like deer @ any sort of significant range.

Even the .25-20 based stuff would be too large in diam to be straight walled... w/o some sort of serious swaging being done.... if that would even be possible / practical.

With regards,
357Mag

 

[scpaul]

I've found a few potential cases but they are so antiquated or complicated to form its ridicules. Some are even close to the proper caliber but still they would be hard to find. I haven't delt with the old western scrounger in years. I guess he's still in business and good health.
I don't guess that you have a source for .22-15-60 Steven's brass do you. I've found a few others but they are probably just as easy to get.
Paul