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We have lots of infringements here in MI--about 100 on each renewal...
Cangt carry someone elses gun unless you BOTH have CPLs?? and lots of other entwinments aka infringements.
 

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These was a major announcement in the news today. new Yorkers will no longer have to jump through hoops in order to get a concealed carry permit.
When I got my permit many years ago, it took me five years to get any restrictions removed. I'm in a very sensitive business when there are hold-ups constantly, and I'm often subject to carrying large amounts of cash and merchandise.
It was quite a relief when I was finally allowed to protect myself.
They are going to make it extremely difficult for us here in New York. Everything they do will be unconstitutional but they do not care. They will make us take them to court on everything. They are planning to require all pistol permit holders to take a mandatory 20 hour course at our own personal expense----$1000 !! These people are sinister!!!
 

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They are going to make it extremely difficult for us here in New York.
That's the part some folks miss. The SCOTUS ruling just said the requirements need to treat everyone the same; not that they couldn't be stringent. Of course, too stringent and there will be another SCOTUS case that rules some requirements are unreasonable, but it will take time.
 
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They are going to make it extremely difficult for us here in New York. Everything they do will be unconstitutional but they do not care. They will make us take them to court on everything. They are planning to require all pistol permit holders to take a mandatory 20 hour course at our own personal expense----$1000 !! These people are sinister!!!
They have required taking a handgun safety course for many, many years. I’ve had my permit for over fifty years and I had to take one when I got my permit. Where you came up with $1,000 must have been out of thin air. I gave the NRA course here in NY, for a lot of years and the most I ever charged anyone was fifty bucks….about average for the course and supplies. Rants without facts are just rants. I’ve given that course and I’ve shot lots of competition for around forty years. I’ve rarely heard anyone complain about having to take a safety course before getting a permit, and to be quite honest, very seldom heard anyone complain about completing the requirements to get a permit. Do you live in NY?
 

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I think he was saying there is suggested legislation in the works that would introduce the $1000 course requirement, and not that it exists yet. I have no idea. If they actually passed such a thing it would be a good basis for filing a new case based on class discrimination, and I would think their attorneys would advise them to that effect. But I don't have any involvement with NY politics and so I don't know that for a fact, either.
 

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Well, as I feared, it’s getting much worse!
From a news report in Syracuse.com;
NY overhauls handgun rules in effort to preserve some limits”
Read the whole article here - NY overhauls handgun rules in effort to preserve some limits
Among other things, the state’s new rules will require people applying for a handgun license to turn over a list of their social media accounts so officials could verify their “character and conduct.”
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Well, as I feared, it’s getting much worse!
From a news report in Syracuse.com;
NY overhauls handgun rules in effort to preserve some limits”
Read the whole article here - NY overhauls handgun rules in effort to preserve some limits
“Among other things, the state’s new rules will require people applying for a handgun license to turn over a list of their social media accounts so officials could verify their “character and conduct.””

“People applying for a license to carry a handgun will also have to provide four character references, take 16 hours of firearms safety training plus two hours of practice at a range, undergo periodic background checks and turn over contact information for their spouse, domestic partner or any other adults living in their household.”

“Under the new system, the state won’t authorize permits for people with criminal convictions within the past five years for driving while intoxicated, menacing or third-degree assault. People also won’t be allowed to carry firearms at a long list of “sensitive places,” including New York City’s tourist-packed Times Square.
That list also includes schools, universities, government buildings, places where people have gathered for public protests, health care facilities, places of worship, libraries, public playgrounds and parks, day care centers, summer camps, addiction and mental health centers, shelters, public transit, bars, theaters, stadiums, museums, polling places and casinos.”
This last one is my “favorite”…
“New York will also bar people from bringing guns into any business or workplace unless the owners put up signs saying guns are welcome. People who bring guns into places without such signs could be prosecuted on felony charges.”
Looks like NY wants to spend a lot of time in court. This clearly shows why each end of the political spectrum is causing unnecessary problems the “normal” eighty to ninety living somewhere in the middle. Maybe that’s why NYS is losing population faster than any other state?
 

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(Rhetorical) Wasn’t there something about not infringing on people’s right to bear arms in the ruling ?

Am I the only one who thinks all the people pushing this stuff look (and act) like they come from outer space?.
Makes me feel like Lord of the rings or Harry Potter spilled over .
Creepy stuff .

cheers.
 

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I’ve lived in New York for most of my life. I’m in my mid seventies and I got my pistol permit when I turned twenty-one. My permit was for concealed carry, and no one asked why I wanted it. Somewhere after I got mine, they decided that you needed to prove you needed to carry it for protection in order to get a concealed carry permit. Also, it was county by county rules depending on your local judge. Most would grant a permit to carry after a year of having the permit for hunting and target shooting only. I never heard much complaining about any of this anywhere. It was just accepted. We got into trouble when some of the judges in the state became anti-gun and decided they had absolute power to decide why you needed a permit and when you could get one. There lies the problem, too many judges with too many different guidelines based on their opinion, not the uniformity of the law. That’s the only thing that needed fixing. I was an NRA certified handgun safety instructor for many years and I’d get a small percentage of people show up for training and the first thing they wanted to talk about was “when can I shoot someone”? I usually told them to leave. I think NYS had a decent system for sorting out who could get a permit based on a close background check, references (they didn’t need to be anyone special or connected), and an interview from the local law enforcement. We had a full ten percent of all residents in Niagara County holding pistol permits at one time. In all the years they had this system I believe they only had one case of a licensed permit holder commit a crime with their handgun. I’m afraid that we’re going to see some problems ahead going forward with this new system. A lot of those people who wanted to know “when can I shoot someone”, are going to be carrying handguns in the future. I strongly believe everyone has the right to carry IF they can be screened for background, mental problems, and use the system we have now with county by county uniformity in administration. It wasn’t broke, it needed fixed. I hope we haven’t thrown the baby out with the bath water.
I'm sorry but I disagree 100%. The logic that a permit or any other method of carrying is going to make any difference to someone already intent on shooting someone makes no sense. People who are intent on breaking the law, such as shooting another person unnecessarily, don't follow laws. The Second Amendment gives us the infringed right to keep and bear arms. Any kind of scheme to block that right is clearly unconstitutional and supporting that is un-American.

It makes people feel all warm inside to think that a permit makes any difference in the behavior of bad people but bad people don't care about the laws. They are called criminals because they commit crimes. Crimes are simply the act of not obeying the law. Expecting criminals not to commit crimes because of laws is fantasy not reality.

We now have constitutional carry in close to half the state's. The data is clear. Violence with guns did not increase, there were no increased shootouts over arguments and blood never ran down the streets. All the doom and gloom talking points of the democrats proved to be lies and nonsense, as usual.

As a former police officer, I've had the inside look at crime and criminals. They don't care about laws or permits. If they intend to do bad things, they do them, which is why these permits are only to block law abiding people from exercising their constitutionally protected rights and lining the pockets of bureaucrats.

As for NY and the rest of these liberal runs dens of Marxism, they and as of today, enact other schemes to stop law abiding citizens from exercising their rights. The new "law" will be challenged in court, then upheld by the liberal courts until several years later, finally struck down by the highest court. As long as these liberal courts are willing to bypass the constitution to promote their "liberal world order", New Yorkers and others in states behind the red curtains will still be banned from their rights. In my opinion, nothing will change until these leftists are forced out of office. That's a tough sell in heavily blue states.
 

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Very well said.

The people in charge of 'permits' are the ones I want to dodge first. All it takes to carry concealed is gravity, friction and wisdom.
The 4th Amendment supports the 2nd. I've carried for 53 years without any paper giving me 'permission' to do so.
It's nobody's business what's in my pocket. A holster is a totally different story and gives them probable cause.
 
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Some folks have followed the 'law' until it kills them and theirs. Some folks call those folks 'good citizens'. In my career I had occasion to see more'n a few of them. I do for me and mine, what I have to do. I make no excuses and I don't give explains. When I met my wife (unknown to me at the time), over conversation, she allowed that all men were dogs? I responded with No Ma'am, not true, I'm a coyote, we are different. We are. A year later we were engaged and married. Our kids are grown and gone, my responsibility is to her, my two dawgs and then myself. No 'law' or breathing human being will deny me the right to defend them. Live with your choice, I'm a coyote.

I beg pardon if I have offended any law abiding folks here. Or, anyone else. Things are what they are for a reason. Seems to me, the folks who wrote the Constitution were smarter than those who back door it. Again my apologies. No political agenda followed by me, I'm a coyote.
 

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Believe this thread is worth noting/reading. It is as relevant today as it was when written!

 

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Believe this thread is worth noting/reading. It is as relevant today as it was when written!

I agree, yesterday was the first time I read your link to that thread. I find it interesting, that it was 18 years ago and the same situation remains unchanged, yet still affects us all.

I would like to expound more on this topic, I won't here. I have to much respect for the members of this forum, Moderator's also, to push the limits of the rules or patience of this Forum. I very much agree with the strict enforcement of the rules prohibiting political conversation on the Forum. On a brief sidenote: Should you go to the link above, it's worth a full read and also note how many folks were permanently excused from this forum?
 

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Much of the 'cleanup' was done on old/abandoned accounts. That's a pretty common practice when folks have been off of a forum a decade or more. There just isn't a 'rumplestiltskin' user category.... so don't read too much into it.
 

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Keep it up NY as next time it goes before Thomas, he's going to throw the whole shall issue permit thing out the window next. Read his opinion. 2A lawyers know how to tailor the question next time up.


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