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Hey everybody,

I'm looking at buying a rifle "Im dead broke so it will be in a few months Im thinking" and have it cut down to 3 choices I believe. I have been racking my brain reading the history and features of brands, types, actions, ect. These are the 3 Im looking at for my first ever rifle "Which I plan to use for large game hunting, targeting, and defending our country/constituion from envasion/marshal law". I am pretty dead set on 30-06, bolt action, center fire rifles. These are the 3 I was looking at, and in order of what I THINK I want/need.

1. Remington 700 SPS Tactical ....... 30-06 = $550.00

2. Winchester Model 70 Ultimate Shadow ....... 30-06 = $749.00

3. Stevens Model 200 ........ 30-06 = $339.65

I would prefer a heavier rifle for the low recoil. I wouldnt mind carrying a heavy rifle through West Texas. It needs to have a long range and a punch to it "Think Oaudad". I would want a longer barrel for the accuracy. Lastly, being this is my first and only for a long time to come, "Im lower class income wise... if even that high :)", I need a rifle that can stand the test of time and be used for many purposes.

QUESTION:
1. Am I right to choose the Remington out of these 3 for my needs?

2. Is the extra $200 dollars per rifle going to be noticabley an upgrade?

3. Are there any major faults you people would have against any of these guns?


Thanks for any responses ahead of time and God bless those of you who are Oath Keepers!
 

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You have 3 good choices there, but the Remington has a 26" heavy barrel, where as the other two have 24" standard barrels. In the standard barrel realm, I would go with a Ruger Hawkeye.

But you can't go wrong with any of the ones you have listed. I would put the Winchester on the bottom of my list though. Atleast give the Ruger's a look see.
 

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.30-06 is never a bad choice when looking for a hunting rifle. Ammunition is everywhere. Personally, I would pick a "sporter weight", but that's just me. I'm still using a 1903 Springfield I customized back in the 60's ... and I'm in my 60's.

Rifle choice is pretty much up to you ... whatever you happen to like. I've owned Rugers and Winchesters and Remingtons. All are fine actions. I've owned push feeds and controlled round feeds. Accuracy was always exemplary. Reliability was too.

You might even find what you're looking for in a Pawn Shop or even a gun shop. Go figure. I once bought a M70 Winchester in .30-06 that was prewar. And THAT was from a Pawn Shop.

I also took an oath ... though it may not be the oath you're talkin' about. I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. I don't recall it having an expiration date.
 

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You never mentioned anything about optic option. If you needed that also then a good quality optic plus the Stevens still comes in below the Remington alone. Barska, Tasco, Simmons, Swift, NuStar and others are not my opinion of good quality scopes. Stay with the leaders -- Nikon, Bushnell, Leopold or Burris both for quality and service after the sale.
 

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I'd ditch the Stevens and get a Marlin XL-7 in 30'06 over the other guns. Do a little research and you'll see that the Marlin will shoot with or surpass most guns at half the price. My gun consistantly shoots less than .75" with 165 gr bullets and puts 180s into less than .5".

The Marlin's have an easily ajustable trigger, pillar bedding, fluted bolt, good recoil pad, only weigh 6.5pounds, and cost $300 or less in the black Synthetic stock model. The Stevens has none of those features and isn't even worth considering, and I doubt the winchester or remington will shoot better. You can buy one heck of a nice scope for your '06 with the cost savings by getting a Marlin.
 

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These are the 3 I was looking at, and in order of what I THINK I want/need.

1. Remington 700 SPS Tactical ....... 30-06 = $550.00

2. Winchester Model 70 Ultimate Shadow ....... 30-06 = $749.00

3. Stevens Model 200 ........ 30-06 = $339.65


QUESTION:
1. Am I right to choose the Remington out of these 3 for my needs?

2. Is the extra $200 dollars per rifle going to be noticabley an upgrade?

3. Are there any major faults you people would have against any of these guns?

I would suggest actually picking up and handling each of these rifles. If you have done that, and the Remington 700 honestly feels the best to you, go for it. .30-06 is an awesome caliber, and have killed thousands upon thousands of big game animals all over the world.

In most cases, it seems price doesn't actually reflect the true value of firearms anymore. This of course depends what you're using the gun for, but for your average hunting situation, establish your budget (make sure it's absolutely the most you can/will spend), and make sure your gun falls into that area with, as mentioned, your optics.

The only fault I can see in any of those guns is that none of them are in my gun cabinet. If they were really all that smart, that's precisely where they should be!
 

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i'll second the marlin... way more gun than the stevens and put the difference between it and the remington into glass and you'll have a rock solid set up that'll last a lifetime!
 

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For whats its worth...Go with what you can afford to buy...All 3 are good choices and I have always been a fan of savage rifles...With the Stevens you will still have a few bucks left over to get a decent scope if needed....I have always been a believer in getting what you want and can afford..You can always up grade in another year or so...Good luck with your choice...John
 

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I think in most cases you get what you pay for if you a smart shopper. I have an eye for quality in machining, fit, and overall production of something. Alot of people do not. Sometimes you may not notice the additional money you have spent until you go to sell or trade it in. If you don't have alot of money to invest, buy the lower grade, but don't expect much in return. It will get you shooting or hunting whatever the case may be and that is what's important. We used to have an old saying in the gun store and please don't let it offend anyone; "Friends don't let friends buy Mossbergs" Funny thing is I owned a couple!:eek:
 

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The fact is that none of the rifles you list would be a bad choice. In practical terms, one may be more accurate than another, but that will be on a purely individual basis -- in other words, no one with a lick of sense or experience will claim "X model of rifle will always shoot better than Y model". Many of the most accurate rifles I've ever found were inexpensive ones.

My opinions: $200 will buy a lot of ammo and/or reloading components. You would not be going far astray to buy the least expensive (I like the Marlin, too, a bit more than the Stevens, but the Stevens product is a good basic rifle), and spend the leftover funds on ammo. Proper practice makes perfect.

Long. heavy barrels are no guarantee of accuracy. In fact I suspect that, barrel-for-barrel, you'd be hard-pressed to show that long/heavy barrels are on average any more accurate than short/light ones. A long/heavy will, usually, "hang" better than a short/light in unsupported shooting while standing, making it easier to steady up for a freehand shot -- but freehand unsuppported shots are best reserved in hunting for rare occasions when no sort of support is possible. One big advantage the short/light will always have over a long/heavy is ease of carry. If your hunting involves walking 100 yards to a treestand, the long/heavy will work fine; but if you are carrying that telephone pole for any period of time, or maneuvering in tight brush, you will end the day cursing it as a millstone.

Now, my favorite deerstalking rifle has a 24" heavy barrel -- but as it is a Brown Model 97D falling-block single-shot, it is no longer than, and about the same weight as, a .30-30 carbine -- the best of both worlds.
 

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If you are willing to spend $750 on the Winchester then before you "pull the trigger" I would advise you to at least pick up a Browning A-bolt stalker and look it over. They can be had blued or stainless. If you luck out you could find one in a used rack. Also take a look at the X-bolts.

That said, if you are going to buy a $750 rifle just to turn around and skimp on the scope choice I would advise against that. As much as it pains me I would recommend buying the Remington and using the $200+ you'll save and throw it into your optics if thats the route you'd go.
 

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What are you leery of...that this is not a genuine post?
BroomJM, I'll go out on a limb and guess that JSR might be thinking this might be a query as to the thought process of Shooter's Forum people and how they'll respond to our "current crisis"...... maybe?

I, personally, would buy (of those listed or Tang's excellent suggestion of the Ruger Hawkeye), the one I liked best that I could afford. Save it for hunting and target shooting because...... defending the Consitution or our Great Country is not really "in" right now.
 

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Damaged_1,

I was in your position about 15 years ago, where I wanted to buy a gun real bad but just didn't have the money, so I did what one of the previous posters suggested; I went to several pawn shops and looked at the used guns in the gun stores. Eventually I found a Model 70 Featherweight (post-64) in 25-'06 for $350, with a 6x-24x scope. I had to remove a little wood in the tip of the fore-end to get it to shoot well, but there's no doubt it was worth every penny I spent on it. Don't be afraid of buying a used gun because the vast majority of them are in great working condition and will serve you well for many years.
 

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If money is tight, scan Gun Broker. Watch for a Remington ADL, or Ruger M77 MkII's. They can be had for $400 and under.
 

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Some good advice to check the used racks, especially after the season is over. Almost any cartridge with a similar size/shape as the .30-06 will work fine..... ie, .308, .270, etc., etc., etc. Put them all to the shoulder and see what works best.

Good luck with your search.
 

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Thanks everyone of you for the advise. It seems I have even MORE to research heh heh. My buddy is also looking for his first rifle and was hung up on a lever action until he went to Cabelas in Austin and found a Used Winchester 70 for 450. He said he fell in love with it at the store but obviously hasnt shot it yet.

He had mentioned that tha BAR is available in a semi-auto now and was wondering if that bad boy would be worth anything on the hunting department.

Optics I have NO idea on. I havent even began to look really Found 1 I liked for 150 but it said it was for an AR-15 and Im not sure if I would even be able to attach it to a normal rifle. Said scope I checked out I wanted souly because I liked one of the lens options on it. I know little to nothing on range and curve of bullets though.

http://www.valhallaarmory.com/4x32_Ultimate_AR_15_Scope_p/st432g-ult.htm

A friend of mine was trying to talk me into a Marlin and I just get a bad feeling about it. A friend of mine is a Sheriff in Bourne, Texas and he owns a Marlin. I havent talked to him on how it isfor him yet. First thing tomorrow Im going to hit up some pawn shops and see what I can find there. So far I have definately decided not to get the Stevens :)

OH. If I buy used, are there any things to look at ? I was worried that the inside rifling would be messed up or I would somehow get a rifle that would only work a few times before some covered up detail was revealed.
 

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If it makes you feel better, all of my rifles but one were bought used and still shoot amazing groups.

For a scope that is sturdy, and wont break the bank, check the Bushnell Trophy. I have one on a .300 Win Mag and it's having no trouble at all.

The scope you linked to, appears to be a fixed 4 power, but try to find you a 3-9x40 atleast. Wal-Mart sells some scopes called Center Point, and it is a 4-16x44 with illuminated recticles for $69.95. Some guys have gave great reports on them, plus a .30-06 don't recoil very bad.

Here is a Ruger M77 MkII All Weather in .30-06 for $498
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=150532031
 

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>He had mentioned that tha BAR is available in a semi-auto now and was wondering if that bad boy would be worth anything on the hunting department.

If you are referring to the military Browning Automatic Rifle, I'd say you'd be disappointed with it as a hunting rifle. It weighs 16 to 24 pounds, depending on which version you choose, and is 4 feet long.

Now the Browning BAR, the sporting rifle, is an entirely different critter.
 
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