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Concealed gun bill to be law
WEAPONS: Permits from Outside will be recognized in Alaska.


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(Published: May 4, 2002)
Juneau -- A bill that would allow people with permits to carry concealed weapons in other states to carry their guns in Alaska will become law.

Gov. Tony Knowles announced Friday he would let the bill become law without his signature.

Supporters, such as Rep. Jeannette James, R-North Pole, had said the change in Alaska's law could prompt more states to recognize Alaskans' concealed-carry permits. Some Alaskans have complained that they don't feel secure while traveling if they can't carry their guns, James said.

Opponents, including House Speaker Brian Porter, said the bill would let people from states with less stringent rules carry their weapons in Alaska.

Knowles said he concluded the bill would have little impact either way.

"Generally, Alaska's current concealed handgun permit law has worked well," Knowles said in a letter to Senate President Rick Halford. "Further revisions to it, such as these, may have little or no practical effect."

To be eligible for a concealed-carry permit in Alaska, a person must be 21 years old, have no more than two class A misdemeanors within six years and no felonies, submit to a background check with fingerprints and complete a firearms safety course. About 15,000 Alaskans have permits.

Deputy Public Safety Commissioner Del Smith said of 39 states that have concealed handgun programs, 17 have less restrictive standards than Alaska.

The measure was sponsored by Sen. Robin Taylor, R-Wrangell.

-- The bill is Senate Bill 242.
 

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I have always hoped that as more and more states pass "shall issue" legislation, along with reciprocity, that my state of Vermont would have equal treatment. My point is, any  person not prohibited by law from owning/possessing handguns can legally carry in Vermont. NO permits required!(concealed or otherwise) Problem is when I go to another state. I need THAT states permit! Very few states issue permits to non-residents unless the applicant holds a resident permit in their home state. (some states will issue to Vermonters)
I suppose an argument for Vermont to require and issue permits could be made here. Not trying to whine, but when you guys talk to legislaters, ask for exceptions be made for Vermont!
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Scott
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Scott,

Off the top of my head... I don't believe that you have to have a CC license from another state to get an out-of-state license in Texas.  But it's a bit far to go just for that.  Main obstacle would be attending the required class.

The Texas license is good in something like 12-15 other states.  I think it includes OK, AR, TN (wonder what Al Gore thinks of that), LA, KY (I think), IN (pretty sure), possibly Florida, and I forget the rest.

Regs online at www.tsra.com (web page for Texas State Rifle Association).
 

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I am amazed that tony Know-Less did not fight that particular bill. I am not amazed that he would not sign it. Thank God that he will soon be leaving.

Perhaps, one day, recipriocity will be in every state (kalifornia xcepted)

My deepest regret is that every state does not have a Vermont style law.

One of my greatest fears is that the "permit" is just a sneaky way of registration.

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You can easily get a Florida permit but I don't know if it would be valid in other sates because you are not a resident of Florida.
I you have any formal training with firearms and can document the trainning, Florida will issue a permit so most likely you would not have to come here.
I can carry my piece from Florida all the way by road to the Canadian border if I want to. Hopefully all states will someday be like that.
I can get more info for you if you want.
 

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Thanks for the comments folks. I personally think permit requirements are pure garbage. Criminals by definition do not obey laws. As far as "training" requirements(to obtain permits) with the exception of self defense laws being reviewed with said "training", most of us have taken firearms safety education in order to obtain hunting liscences. Guns are guns are guns. Saftey is safety is safety. As far as i know we all go through background checks when buying firearms through a liscensed dealer. That should be enough to satisfy permit requirement criteria!I suppose compromises must be made to satisfy the non-gun owning public, but it takes to much work to obtain permits in most states. All previous is only my opinion, some may disagree.
Best to all,
Scott
 

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One of the beneficial parts of my CC class was the review of deadly force laws.  Without this knowledge... a person could get themselves in a heap of trouble.

So there were some good things that came out of the process.

I do agree that the licensing should be good for all 50 states, like a driver's license.  There is no need for the patchwork of laws other than to annoy the (law-abiding) gun owners.
 

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MikeG said:
One of the beneficial parts of my CC class was the review of deadly force laws.  Without this knowledge... a person could get themselves in a heap of trouble.

So there were some good things that came out of the process.

I do agree that the licensing should be good for all 50 states, like a driver's license.  There is no need for the patchwork of laws other than to annoy the (law-abiding) gun owners.
Add the problem I just had. Bought a Berreta 92 and when the dealer ran my check it was DELAYED. Why? No, they do not tell the dealer why and will not tell the buyer unless it is denied and them the buyer must file a formal request to just get the reason so they can appeal. What is worse is I have a CCW here in Michigan. Now if I had gotten it after Nov 22, 2005 the dealer would not even have to call for the NICS check. The check done with the CCW process is taken in place of the instant check.
Maybe some think that having to wait 5 days, in my case, to be given permission to excercise my right to keep and bear arms, is not a problem. I consider myself a very liberal person too. But I really can not for the life of me understand how or why we have given the goverment this kind of power over us.
Sure Michigan is a MUST ISSUE state now. But one must put out about $200.00 for the right to carry anytime(and there are a few restrictions there too) they want to. How is it a right if I have to pay to excersise it? Will I have to pay a hundered bucks to say that George Bush lied to take us to war. Or you have to pay another $100.00 to tell me I am wrong about our fine President?
Have I gone off on a RANT? or what?
Yes, Someone said earlier in this thread that it is just a way to register all guns. I think it is even more insidious than that. If we must pay a fee to have a right what kind of right is it. What if I just do not have the money? I don't have the right do I?
Well I have ranted enough. Sorry to bore you all.
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fox,
good point all the way around. I can see, although I don't like it, fees for auto usage (not a right)...but I don't like the financial burden for a CC permit. In my home state the ability to carry is new, cost is about $300 with class and permit. The way I see it, folks in the impoverished areas that typically would have the most use for said permit are least likely to be able to financially attain the permit. I am fortunate in that the money, while it could be put to much better use for other things, is not really a problem for me...what about for those that it is?
 

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This kind of bill will never happen in New York. We have crappy reciprocity
 

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fox1011 said:
Add the problem I just had. Bought a Berreta 92 and when the dealer ran my check it was DELAYED. Why? …
I consider myself a very liberal person too. But I really can not for the life of me understand how or why we have given the goverment this kind of power over us.…
Well, if you vote Liberal, you get Liberal policies. Why is that a mystery? It's the same in every Liberal state. You should learn by inductive reasoning. Here in NY we have Hillary & Schumer & Spitzer & Cuomo - all leaders of Liberalism, and the most restrictive "rights" going. Same with CA and Mass. and NJ and MD and MI and OH and IL and [name a liberal state] and Canada and England and [name a Liberal country].

Don't confuse Liberal with Liberty. They started out the same 200 yrs ago, but they've diverged in the last 50.

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This kind of bill will never happen in New York. We have crappy reciprocity
Crappy reciprocity would be a step up. We have NO reciprocity, and never will if Gov. Spitzer & AG Cuomo have any influence. We don't even have reciprocity between all our Counties ( you can't take a gun into the counties comprising NYC. ) And, for Mayor Bloomberg, even that's too much reciprocity!

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Well, if you vote Liberal, you get Liberal policies. Why is that a mystery? It's the same in every Liberal state. You should learn by inductive reasoning. Here in NY we have Hillary & Schumer & Spitzer & Cuomo - all leaders of Liberalism, and the most restrictive "rights" going. Same with CA and Mass. and NJ and MD and MI and OH and IL and [name a liberal state] and Canada and England and [name a Liberal country].

Don't confuse Liberal with Liberty. They started out the same 200 yrs ago, but they've diverged in the last 50.

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LOL careful, you just might hurt my feelings, gmd3006.

So Hillary dislikes the Second Amendment, Newt thinks that the First is higly overrated and should be limited. Idealogues on both sides are wrong. If you can't speak freely, you can't whine about losing your gun rights can you? You can't have it both ways, You either defend the Whole Constitution or none of it. Man, this was an old thread to dig up...
 

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fox,
good point all the way around. I can see, although I don't like it, fees for auto usage (not a right)...but I don't like the financial burden for a CC permit. In my home state the ability to carry is new, cost is about $300 with class and permit. The way I see it, folks in the impoverished areas that typically would have the most use for said permit are least likely to be able to financially attain the permit. I am fortunate in that the money, while it could be put to much better use for other things, is not really a problem for me...what about for those that it is?
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It's the "folks in the impoverished areas that typically would" most likley be the ones you would have to protect yourself from!
 
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