[JBelk]

Miss. homeowner kills escaped murder suspect after week-long manhunt | Fox News

Escaped murderer invaded home, tied up occupants but one got free and killed him with a home defense gun.

 

[chevwilliam]

Good result for the Injured family.

Chev. William

 

[TimSr]

Everybody loves happy ending.

 

[Cheezywan]

Here's another one.

Customer with concealed carry permit fatally shoots ax-wielding attacker at 7-Eleven | Fox News

Cheezywan

 

[JBelk]

THAT is what its all about. No doubts at all. Shoot and be glad you were there. I'll be anxious to see that on youtube!
NEVER allow a crook a safe space to work.

 

[nachogrande]

Glad the victims survived.

I don't see the need to glorify it. We have enough gun owners & CC holders just itching for a chance to shoot someone. If the victims had it to do over I'm sure they would not want to have to take a life again. Their life changed forever, admittedly when the suspect? (or convicted) escapee broke into their home. Adding a killing to the trauma didn't help. Did they have any alternatives?, it doesn't appear so & I'm not shedding any tears for the intruder. Do I believe in gun ownership for self defense, of course, but hope I never have to use it. Taking a life is not on my wish list. I would not call having your child witness you taking a life, "a happy ending".

 

[BillyTee]

I don't see the need to glorify it. We have enough gun owners & CC holders just itching for a chance to shoot someone. If the victims had it to do over I'm sure they would not want to have to take a life again. Their life changed forever, admittedly when the suspect? (or convicted) escapee broke into their home. Adding a killing to the trauma didn't help. Did they have any alternatives?, it doesn't appear so & I'm not shedding any tears for the intruder. Do I believe in gun ownership for self defense, of course, but hope I never have to use it. Taking a life is not on my wish list. I would not call having your child witness you taking a life, "a happy ending".

Not a happy ending,?
IMHO it was definitely the preferred outcome.
I do think you are doing a bit of fence sitting.

 

[JBelk]

A message of strength goes a LONG ways in some places. We had a common thief in my jurisdiction supposedly 'being rehabilitated' through being an informant on other burglars. He slit the screen on a kitchen window and was on all fours on the sink counter when the owner of the shop shot him dead center the nose with a load of #4 buckshot. No pictures of the scene were released but word spread like wildfire in the 'Frenchtown' area of the city. The exaggerations became so lurid.....burglaries dropped to near zero for nearly a year.

Twice in my five years as a deputy, liquor store and C store hold-ups became a problem with up to two a week. Those of us working day shift had to work a 4 hr. shift as stake-out somewhere at night. Sitting a milk cooler for hours at a time with a shotgun is no fun but some of the funniest things happen on stake-outs....but that's another story. Both times, as soon as a robber was shot by a stake-out, robberies dropped to zero.

Never allow a safe work space for a crook.

 

[nvshooter]

Both times, as soon as a robber was shot by a stake-out, robberies dropped to zero.

Empirical studies have shown that rapid and decisive punishment most often leads to reduced crime...

 

[JBelk]

And that's why it's a good thing to publicize the punishment meted out by citizens because too many of our future perpetrators thinks the law is a joke.

 

[nachogrande]

Some think the law is a joke

Others know it is. If you want to publicize shootings then tell both sides of the story. It's not just good guy shoots bad guy = happy ending. It is often good guy shoots bad guy in what he thought was a good shoot, an overzealous DA and unsympathetic jury felt a bad guy on all fours on a kitchen sink didn't pose a real threat of life ='s good guy is screwed in a legal & civil trial. Things can go sideways. A shooting should be a last resort, & hopefully you will be able to prove to & convince a Judge/Jury it happened just as you said it did. It often comes down to NOT what actually happened, but what you can prove.

 

[Bong Son Buck]

A message of strength goes a LONG ways in some places. We had a common thief in my jurisdiction supposedly 'being rehabilitated' through being an informant on other burglars. He slit the screen on a kitchen window and was on all fours on the sink counter when the owner of the shop shot him dead center the nose with a load of #4 buckshot. No pictures of the scene were released but word spread like wildfire in the 'Frenchtown' area of the city. The exaggerations became so lurid.....burglaries dropped to near zero for nearly a year.

Twice in my five years as a deputy, liquor store and C store hold-ups became a problem with up to two a week. Those of us working day shift had to work a 4 hr. shift as stake-out somewhere at night. Sitting a milk cooler for hours at a time with a shotgun is no fun but some of the funniest things happen on stake-outs....but that's another story. Both times, as soon as a robber was shot by a stake-out, robberies dropped to zero.

Never allow a safe work space for a crook.

As a fellow former deputy, take a pillow to sit on if your seat is a milk crate. Stake-outs don't HAVE to be painful! Did your Sheriff pay overtime? The first one I worked for didn't, and as far as a work week was concerned, you were on duty 24-7!

 

[StretchNM]

I like and applaud the outcome of both cases. Just as when Theodore Bundy, Timothy McVeigh, and hosts of others were executed, sometimes death is a necessary outcome. I'm happy to have read and participated in this thread.

 

[Jammer Six]

Empirical studies have shown that rapid and decisive punishment most often leads to reduced crime...

If that were true, the old west would have been crime free.

I'd like to read your studies, may I have a citation, please?

 

[JBelk]

What would the West have been like without quick justice? Or, better yet, what was the West like without TV and movies?

 

[nachogrande]

There were a million ways to die in the old west

The fart needles were one of the worst. (see the movie)

 

[nvshooter]

If that were true, the Old West would have been crime free.

I'd like to read your studies. May I have a citation, please?

I thought about what I wrote a bit later this afternoon. I should have written that empirical studies have shown that swift and decisive punishment most often leads to reduced crime in the future by he who perpetrated the original crime. To wit, he who commits a murder and is subsequently hanged until he is dead, dead, dead is most likely to not commit any future murders. I should think that if a criminal can think at all, he might think just a tiny bit about committing (or not committing) a violent crime if the end of his road is a short piece of rope. But it takes all kinds of kinds, doesn't it?

 

[Jammer Six]

I should have written that empirical studies have shown that swift and decisive punishment most often leads to reduced crime in the future by he who perpetrated the original crime.

If that were true, there would be no such thing as recidivism.

I think the only way your claims work is if the only punishment is death, and if you remove any reference to a study. But I may be misunderstanding you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-sentence-only-to-kill-mother-two-days-later/

 

[nvshooter]

But I may be misunderstanding you.

I suppose we could do a post-execution interview of the deceased and ask if he has any plans to commit another crime...

Murder is a capital crime. My prescription to end it is the death penalty. Some crud kills someone, that crud gets the death penalty-- and right now. Not 25 years from now. Sooner or later, the number of wanton murders will decrease because the supposed perpetrator will think just a second before he does the deed. He has seen murderers get the gas chamber, the firing squad and the rope. Maybe he should just let this murder go, and live a longer life. But criminals are criminals because they do not think of the future in long terms. They think only of the now, and with what their act will reward them.

I think the crime rate is partly because of how American society has so terribly rotted since the middle 1960s. It all started with the Great Society, which had no intentions of ever making American society greater than it was before 1965. But that's another topic, about which we cannot discuss...

 

[Bong Son Buck]

Yup, sooner or later it seems like all of our societal problems end up at that door! Actually, I don't like to think about the death penalty---But then again, there will come a time when our society will no longer be able to afford to house all of these rejects from the gene pool! With harder times ahead, we had better harden ourselves, in order to fight fire with fire!