I have been recently looking into changing the way I have cleaned my guns for 30 years. Dad just told me to soak a brush with Hoppes #9, run it up and down the bore, patch it out until patches come out clean and then run an oiled patch down it and back up. Alot of Dad's advice was wisdom but I guess from what I have read and recently been told by some vetran shooters, this does not fit in that catagory. The trouble is is that there are SO many products out there and I have done enough research to utterly be confused. All seem to agree a one piece rod from the breech is best but what about the bore snake or the otis system (which looks intreging). Do I brew up Ed's red or continue to use Hoppes? What about Sweets 7.62 or Shooters Choice, Butch"s bore shine, Ballistol or Pro shot???? Then a respected person on another forum says Wipeout is the only way to go!!!!!!!! I am about nuts trying to figure out what to use. I would presume I have a lot of copper to deal with in several of my guns due to what I stated earlier. Any expert advice would be greatly appreciated. I already did a search on this forum and either it has not been "hashed out" here or it was lost in space during the changeover. Help out if you can THANKS