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I own a 336 CB in 38-55, have tried several loads with .377 lead and find this gun to be one of the hardest to reload for and achieve any accuracy. Yet with Barnes .375  dia. 250 grs it is a steady shooter. recovered Barnes have little if any rifling marks. does Beartooth make a larger dia. then .377 for this gun?
I'd sure appreciate some help with this gun, between all the powders,lead,dies,and the gun itself i have a bunch of $ sunk into trying to get this varmit to shoot.......if it didn't look so nice I'd have used it for a tomatoe stake already. thanks
 

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You might look at the following link-
http://shootersforum.com/cgi-bin....;hl=38%
my 38-55 CB likes .380 bullets best but I use .379 cause thats what my mould drops. Also I use redrawn brass from Buffalo Arms that are the original length (2.130) for the 38-55. New Winchester brass is 2.080 in length. You might also want to slug your barrel to determine which dia will shoot best (usually .001/.002 larger than groove dia. works best.) My Marlin has a .379 groove dia.
Check this also
http://www.sixgunner.com/backissues/default.htm
 Paco's article on the 444 and 375 is very informative just be cautious about using any reloading data from ANY source.
 With a little load development you should have a tack driver.
 

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Jack R; thank you for taking the time to reply. I have checked out that link you supplied. it was imformative.
I have not cast any bullets myself...never got into it. Though if I can't find a supplier of .379/.380 I may yet.. my barrel  on the Marlin slugged at .379 , too. and I got my reloading data from Paco on the sixgunner sight. though he mentioned stout loads he never said anything about a GC bullet. I bought 500 .377 from Laser [email protected] 260 gr looks like I may need that mold to recast them @.380 in a LFNGC. Terry
 

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There are several Hard Cast Bullet Manufactors out there that will sell .379 .380 Gas Checked bullets. Beartooth is the only one that offers theres with a big enough Metplate to suit me. There is also a Company in washington state that makes a 220gr Flat point Jacketed Bullet that is .380 the price is a little high but it sure shoots well in the Marlin Cowboy..Marko
 

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I have had the same problems in the past ,then I bought the .380 bullets from Bonus Bullets and .377 from Barnes  that are 255gr and they shoot as good as any of my other lever guns,an average group is 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 at 100 yards.I took 4 deer with it last season from 40 to 90 yards and only one made it to 25 yards from  where it was shot.
 I only use the barnes for hunting the bonus bullets are what it shoots most of the time.
 

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Thanks for the help boys! Nice people on this forum.
Shoalbass; Did you ever use those Bonus bullets on  game animals/ Are they soft enough to not just punch a .380 hole through a deer?
I had looked at those .377 Barnes and the shop owner was going to order some for me but WHEW those bad boys are expensive. I see why you just use them for hunting.
BTW that Bonus Bullet 888 # is disconnected. I have an email out to them. thanks
 

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I haven't used  the Bonus Bullets on a deer yet butdid take one with a Cast performance 260gr .380 with a gas check.I went to their site and the bullets I have aren't even listed on it.The bullets I have don't even look like the one they show,mine have 4 lube grooves and the one they show only had 1.The bullet did do a good job on the deer,he went about 35 yard and piled up.The exit was about the size of a fifty cent piece in the left shoulder.
 

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Don't feel like the lone ranger. My 336CB - 38/55 was the hardest rifle I have ever had to get to shoot. Anything smaller than .380 dia. & I get patterns, not groups. Bonus Bullets ( gas check) are shooting fine also laser cast ( in .380 only). beartooth order still on order so cannot say. Best accuracy seems to be at the extreme ends of the chart (1200 fps or 1800 fps). In between not so good. best luck with H4198 or IMR3031.  2400 OK if you don't mind extra step of adding "filler" to cartridge. Actually with the 2400 load I ended up with a lever action 24" barrel 41 magnum, for all practical purposes.
 

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Charlie: Misery loves a crowd,I harbor no ill feelings towards that sweet little Marlin...how could I hate something so pretty?

Shoalbass: I called Cast Performance first thing this morning and ordered the bullets you mentioned. 3 lube rings LFNGC 265 Gr. .380..got a 100 to try.Question for you though did CP supply the gas check with the bullet or did you get /make your own?And if you bought yours where can i get some? Must say I like their shipping,$6.00 regardless of what you order. If they work I'll order a 1000 and be set for awhile. Be sometime till I shoot them up,as I love to hunt with the old calibers I have a 45-70 BC,38-55CB,45 Long Colt'94 Win Legacy, all vying for my attention.
I have a safe full of " modern bolt guns", but ah those old timers just ring my steel!
 

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The Cast Performance bullets come with the gascheck already attached.I have tried so many powders it's not even funny and the best powder I have found is H322,33grains with the Barnes 255 .377 gives me 1790fps and 33.5 grains with the Cast Performance.380 will go 1880fps with hardly any leading at all.
 

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You gents asked about the Beartooth .375 Cal 250g LFNGC bullets sized larger than .377".  We do offer them in .378", .379" and .380" as well.

Also, in addition to the listed .375-250g LFNGC, we also have either the Lyman #375248, and #375449 at the same basic pricing of the listed LFN profile bullets.  We have offered these for over ten years, but only list and catalog our LBT style bullets in our literature and website.  Sizing for these bullets is also available from .375" through .380" as necessary.

Hope this helps,

God Bless,

Marshall
 

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Gosh Marshall I did not intend to step on anyone's toes. Had I only known about your offerings I surely would have ordered from Beartooth.
I mean how "tacky" to mention another companie's line on this site.
Though I did email Beartooth and ask that very same question. Recieveing no reply.
I have never hear a discourageing word towards Beartooth and my next order will be from them.
Now how about a 300gr. true Keith @.452 with a couple of lube rings?
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No need to fret, we enjoy talking about everybody's bullets here!
 

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I do have some of Marshalls bullets ordered for my 38-55 and 35 rem but am at the back of the line and am perfectly happy to wait as long as it takes because if they weren't any good I wouldn't have to wait would I!!!
 

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45LCn265Keith,

No toes stepped on my friend!  There are some really good bullets available from several sources, and although we all sell projectiles, the truth is that we really aren't in competition with each other as such.  We all offer just a little different product.

I encourage discussion of other products than our own, as diversity adds both interest and strength.  I only wanted to let you know that we offer more than listed on the website... generally this is true in every caliber to some extint.

Take care, and have a great week.

God Bless,

Marshall
 
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