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Gentlemen:

Some notes on a recent visit to Gatlinburg, TN. Yes the crowds of "flatland tourists" were making the coffers ring in the mountains! Combining my wife's professional meeting with a short family vacation made sense this year. So clad in my favorite tourist garb of T-shirt, hiking shorts, boots and S&W in pocket I joined my wife and three little ones touring the mountain resort!

But before I continue with my little saga, let me pass on some good news. As of July 1, 2003, Tennessee now recognizes Concealed Carry Weapons Permits from any state in the Union, even with out reciprocity agreements!

Back to the Gatlinburg trip. Virtually all roads to Gatlinburg pass through National Park Lands. To comply with NP regulations, you must unload your sidearm and place it in locked box in the back of the van or lock it in the trunk of your car. When you arrive in Gatlinburg, reverse the process, reload and conceal. So far so good.

On entering the Park Vista Hotel, I noted the Bar off to the side of the lobby. Tennessee prohibits firearms possession where alcoholic beverages are served. I stayed out of the bar so hopefully, I was legal, at least there were no signs posted to the contrary. I didn't think to check the room-service menu to see if it included alcoholic beverages!

Into the week we decided to take the girls to Ripley's Aquarium of the Smokies. Before buying tickets in the hotel I made a quick phone call to Ripley's P.R. department. They confirmed there were no "entrance restrictions" at the aquarium facility. My check of Tennessee statutes did not turn up any CCWP prohibitions on taking the "Trolley" bus from the hotel. The trolley had no signs prohibiting CCWP's.

A large "No Weapons Allowed" sign confronted us at Ripley's Aquarium of the Smokies. Agravated, I told my wife to take the kids and go ahead, I would wait outside and see if I could get a refund on my admission ticket. My Wife suggested that I check to see if they had lock boxes or something. On asking I was stunned to find they had lock boxes just for concealed weapon permit holders, "just check with the security guard at the entrance."

The guard was very courteous and told me to step to the security office. I was asked to unload my handgun and place it in the padded lock-box. "Keep your ammunition and don't lose the box key or we will have to cut the box open' said the guard '..enjoy your visit to Ripley's." I was stunned, A private business actually accomodating citizen gun carriers!

While I retrieved my handgun at the conclusion of the visit, I asked how many CCWP holders they accomodated a day? The guard check the records and came up with an average of 30 or so a week. He said most permit holders probably don't ask and management didn't want to put up a sign. He also said the only reason for not letting permit holders carry was the liability question. When I got my gun back I was told not to load it until I left the building. Yeah, right! There was no way I was going to reload in public outside the building and I suppose the restroom at the Wendy's restaurant next door is used by many as a reloading site!

No wonder my wife says a concealed carry permit is too much hassle. She is not going to carry unless she can keep it on her person all the time wherever she goes. Which I suppose is the very reason all the restrictions on civilian carry are there.

If others on this sight have any "Tales of Concealled Carry Compliance" to share, I would like to read them.
 

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It's good to see that there are businesses that provide such services, and I completly understand the "no advertizing" of the lock boxes. They might open themselves up to speculation of theft by some deranged idiot! Glad you could enjoy your trip!
 

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Tales of concealed carry?

Gentlemen:

Have any of you had any similar CCWP experiences with other exhibits or theme parks in other locations? Or any other unusual CCWP experiences.

Ralph
 

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I was just wondering, if concealed cary is legal in your state, how legal is a "No weapons allowed" sign? Im sure every establishment has the right to refuse service to anyone, but to me, concealed carry is my business. If I do my part correctly nobody will know anyway.
I could be wrong, but unless its a federal buliding, airport or a bar, I think the worst they can do is ask you to leave, but they have to suspect you are armed first.
I wonder how many hardened criminals pay attention to those signs? I guess my way of thinking is that a "no wepons allowed" sign could open the door to all kinds of criminal activity.
 

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Ralph McLaney said:
Gentlemen:
Big snip...

...No wonder my wife says a concealed carry permit is too much hassle. She is not going to carry unless she can keep it on her person all the time wherever she goes. Which I suppose is the very reason all the restrictions on civilian carry are there.
She's right it IS a hassle to carry 24/7, but it's a much bigger hassle to need a gun and not have it.

The other weekend, I was running errands; it was around 110 degrees outside and I was dying of thirst and hadn't had lunch. I stopped at a Mexican restaurant I hadn't been to in a while; LOVE their fajitas. But the moment I got to the counter to order, I noticed all the beer in the cooler. Uh-oh...Can't carry if they're serving open alcohol. My choice was to go out and leave my .45 in the car; not going to do that, you don't know who's watching. So, I left and went to a fast-food place.

I have noticed a lot of people claim Wal-Mart won't allow carry, but there are no signs on any of the stores I've been to in Phoenix. It's "legal" to post the sign, and necessary to either do that or tell you if they don't want you carrying.

Yes, it's a hassle all right. It changes a lot of things; how you dress, how you sit, where you sit, etc. Especially, it will change how you think, and that's the most important part. It's one of those things where you have to learn to "roll with it" and be glad we still have some rights left in this country, and be willing to fight to improve those.

BTW -- Arizona had tried to pass an addendum that allowed carry in a bar if the bearer doesn't drink, but it lost by 2 votes. Any other states that allow this?
 

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just out of curiosity, have you or do you know someone who has felt the need to shoot something at a theme park? just seems like an odd place to need your gun to me anyways
 

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just out of curiosity, have you or do you know someone who has felt the need to shoot something at a theme park? just seems like an odd place to need your gun to me anyways
I guess I wasn't taking it so much about theme parks in particular; my feeling is if you can carry and it's not a problem to do so, then carry.

But theme parks are not without the potential for crime; no place on earth really is. Not too long ago, a family was at Disney in Southern California. Mom was doing something or other, and after what she said was only a few seconds, realized her 4 year-old was missing. She did the smart thing; called security immediately and they locked the place down immediately. The kid was found a very short time later in a restroom; he'd been drugged and barely conscious, and his hair had been dyed a different color already.

A gun wouldn't have been my first thought for a situation like that, but anything can happen, anywhere. So far I've never been anywhere I've felt like I needed to shoot anything at all, thank God. Places I don't carry are church, family picnics, and anywhere the law says I can't. Places I wouldn't go without a gun are places I wouldn't go with one if I have a choice.

Just my $.02
 

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CCW and Walmart

Gentlemen:

After my last job related move several years ago, I found the local Wal-Mart had signs prohibiting weapons posted at the entrance. One phone call to the Bentonville, Arkansas headquarters confirmed that such signs were not company policy. The next day the signs were gone.

Sometimes all it takes is a phone call.

In Mississippi your CCWP is not valid in business locations posted against weapons possession.

For a quick reference see: www.packing.org

Ralph
 

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Folks, I live in Orlando-world, home to nearly every theme park imaginable. The parks themselves have been perfectly safe (except that Tigger has multiple charges for fondling women's and children's breasts). However, their parking lots are not safe. People are accosted at about the same frequency as they would be in an upscale mall. Once in a great while someone will disappear from the theme park or resort parking lots.

My wife and I live about 10 minutes from Universal Studios, and hold annual passes, so we go there frequently just for dinner or to ride a couple of rides on the weekends. My little MK40 or Kel-tec P32 always comes along for the ride. Funny, security searches my wife's purse going into the park, but not my pockets. In Florida I can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, provided I don't sit in the bar area. There is usually seating separate from the bar, so it has never been a problem.

One thing I did have a problem with long ago was the restriction against carrying on any school property. On the surface it seemed a reasonable restriction until my daughter went to one of the segregation-based magnet schools for gifted musicians. This school was right smack in the middle of the Miami ghetto. There were litterally dozens of crack-whores and jits walking day and night across the street from the entrance to the school. Shootings were routine and crime scene tape was the decoration of the day. My wife or I would have to drive through this ghetto to take her to school and bring her home every day. Well, as they say, some laws are just meant to be broke!
 

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Hello Fellows,

I was instructed in my CCW class that except for places specified in statute:, i.e. churches, government buildings, banks, bars, schools, child care centers, etc, carrying concealed in a place that posts "no firearms allowed" was not criminal.

I do follow the law of the land, but not necessarily bend to everyone's else's preferences, espeically if they are foolish. So, in those places that post a non carry preference, with no criminal repurcussions, I ignore it, and carry away. The gun is concealed, and unless I decide to lose my mind and start shedding clothes, it will stay that way.

Most that a business can do in the Commonwealth is ask a fellow to leave, and leave I would, after a mild rant. I heard a story that the Lowe's in Frankfort, Ky. was urged to remove the no "weapons allowed " sign and policy, because their lawyers saw liability in someone getting killed in the parking lot, that couldn't defend themselves. It would seem to be a great place for bad guys to gather- all good folks being defenseless in the Lowe's parking lot.

My year round carry rig is a Glaco ankle glove with a smith model 38, but I will carry something more substaintial in addition in the temperate months. My wife doesn't know that I have it on most of the time, and I like that, and it works for everything but shorts.

Ya'll be careful out there.

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Know your laws; sometimes the signage does not meet the requirements and can be ignored. There are a lot of 'no guns' signs in Texas that aren't correct and can simply be ignored by the informed CHL holder.
 

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Know your laws; sometimes the signage does not meet the requirements and can be ignored. There are a lot of 'no guns' signs in Texas that aren't correct and can simply be ignored by the informed CHL holder.

In MN if the sign is properly posted and you enter, you have to be told you can not carry in this establishment, if you leave then there is no problem, if you don't leave you can be arrested for trespassing.
 

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Don't have the statue book in front of me, but this is close. Texas law does NOT allow concealed carry in amusment parks over a certain size in counties with over a certain population. I think the park size is 50 acres, and the county population is over 1,000,000. Basicly the law was written for Six Flags, Sea World, and the like. Fiesta Texas, the local Six Flags park has even tried to refuse entrance to off duty LEOs when carrying a weapon. I don't know of an LEO agency in Texas that does not REQUIRE officers to carry 24/7.
 

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Interesting - do you have a reference for that? I don't recall seeing that in the regs.....
 

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Mike, Subsection 46.035 of the Penal Code, unlawful carrying of handgun by license holder.
(b) A License holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter411, Government Code, regardless of whether tyhe handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
(5) in an amusment park; or
(f) in this section:
(1) "amusment park" means a permanant indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusment rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calender year, and has security guards on the premise at all times. the term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk, or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

As I said, tailor written for Six Flags, Sea World, Fiesta Texas, and others I am sure I missed.
 

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OK.... appreciate you sharing that. Guess I'll avoid those places :)
 
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