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Hello Gents,

Making the move soon to digital. Lately Hornady and another new yellow item seen on the Gunsamerica site hit the market. Yeah I know the RCBS rules here but, anyone got a try on either of the new models? I could put up with a lesser model then RCBS for $75 less out of pocket if it's even close to RCBS.
 

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Like the myth about Henry Ford saying you can order your Model T in any color, as long as it's black?

I just started using a digital scale for my reloading about 3 months ago and I like it! It's not a powder measure or anything, just a simple scale. The thing is, the reading is so much quicker than my old triple-beam scale! For most of my reloading, I weigh every single charge, so this has really helped to speed up the process. (Which isn't always a good thing, since I get done too fast. :( )

Still, I will continue to use it, so long as I am confident it is reading correctly. I checked probably 20 charges on the digital and then the triple-beam, until I knew I could trust what the LED readout was saying. I seriously doubt I will ever go back to the old-school ways on this particular subject.
 

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I used to work on electronic measurement equipment in the space program.

Wish you luck but there ain't gonna be no digital dumpsters or powder scales on my bench.
When a person that should be the expert in a given field offers his opinion I listen. So your qualifications seem great but I don't totally understand your statement . Would you please expound on your 2nd sentence and then tell me what you use.
 

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I would go with "trust but verify." Having worked with computers for a long time I don't entirely trust them :) and a set of check weights is used with the scale before every reloading session. Running the digital scale on batteries, or using an old computer UPS as a power source, may help eliminate electrical interference.

Wonderful things, but I have a balance beam scale on standby!
 

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"When a person that should be the expert in a given field offers his opinion I listen. So your qualifications seem great but I don't totally understand your statement . Would you please expound on your 2nd sentence and then tell me what you use."


Well, okay, that's valid. But I had hoped to save energy!

I use an old beam type, Lyman M-5 made by Ohaus. The current RCBS 1010 is virtually the same thing and it's also made by Ohaus. But, what I use and what works just as well mine is different. Actually, ANY magnetically damped beam powder scale is just as good, anything from Reddings to others from RCBS, etc. Well, maybe not Lee's little "Safety Scale"; even tho it's really quite accurate and sensitive, it's so light and small that the ergonomics aren't much.

Any beam scale will last a hunded years - or more - unless it's abused and will do so with the same accuracy and sensitivity the whole time. My old scale reads a 260.9 gr. test weight exactly the same today as it did when I first opened the box in '65.

Beams are driven by gravity so they don't change with powder line voltage or noise, ambient temperature, external magnetic fields, etc. and don't, as MikeG rightly suggests, need an expensive eternal computer type power conditioner. Beam scales only need be zeroed ONCE (unless moved and there's rarely any reason for that). And not calibrated at all, the calibration is built into the mechanism and it doesn't change over the life of the instrument.

So, what does anyone hope to gain from a digital? Accuracy? All of them claim accuracy/sensitivity to .1 gr. and, believe me, that's more accuracy than reloaders really need. But that's also the accuracy of any beam scale so accuracy is a wash.

Speed? Maybe, in some applications, but not for weighting powder charges. I mean a digital IS a fast way to weigh bullets and cases, anything that varies more than the +/- .5 gr a beam scale shows. But few of us do that, not for long anyway. A swinging magnetic beam settles in two swings, a couple of seconds. How much slower than instantaneous is that in the real world? And a LOT of digitals take at least a full second to actually settle on a single reading so they lose half of their supposed advantage. Worse, to me, is many digitals are reluctant to follow trickled-up charges in real time, at least some have a time lag between the drop and showing it so it's easy to over-trickle and have to remove a bit to make it right. Time saver? Bah.

Easier to read? I suppose it's theoritically easier to read a number than to see where the pointer is, like a digital watch is "faster" than an old one, but for the life of me I can't understand it really making any difference. Guess I've just been using real clocks and watches and scales so long they are easy for me. ??

Are beam scales "hard to see?" Maybe. Especially if they are sitting down on (or under? :) ) the bench top (as they are in a lot of web sites and many advertising photos) but that's not where they belong! They should be setting on a shelf that raises them to maybe chin/nose high. Poor tool location isn't the tool's fault!

Hard to use? What I usually see on web bench photos is some of the poorest reloading tool/scale locations possible. Many could only be worse if they did mount their tools under the bench! Make for a smooth work flow for yourself when mounting tools. Put the press where it's wanted, place a manual powder dispenser hard stand behind the press and turn it so the measure itself is easy to reach and use without moving, put the scale and a dribbler to the left of the measure so it is also easy to see and reach. That will leave room on the bench for a loading block and bullet box, right where they are easy to use too. With the major tools placed like that, we can size, prime, dispense charges, weight them, seat bullets without moving a step.

I've never watched any of my younger friends with digital powder dumpsters load much faster than me with my all manual tools. And at what price do they match me?

We often make a lot of things hard on ourselves, it's not so much the tools. And, if we take into consideration all the time they spend "warming up, zeroing, calibrating" their super time savers I think I'm faster for at least one or two boxes of rifle ammo. And I NEVER weigh pistol charges after setting my old Redding Master measure. I don't have too, it never moves. So, it looks to me like how much is gained by a digital anything (which for sure won't possibly last as long as my original tools which are still going) is mostly a measure of how poor the loaders work process is.

I also belive the current digital scales/dumpsters are VASTLY over priced. The makers must be rolling around laffing at the profit margins they get for the flaky things. I remember when four function hand calculators sold for over $400 dollars, mostly because some guys just had to have the latest gimmic no matter the price. Last such calculator I bought is sitting in my shirt pocket, I paid $1 for it and that was plenty. Well, I actually bought my first one when they finally dropped to $10 but thought that was excessive and the current prices proves I was right.

Figger all a powder scale has to be off is once and I may never care again. So, maybe I'll eventually buy a digital scale for weighting cases, after they drop to $10, but I'll still use my beam for powder.

My fingers are tired, I quit. ;)
 

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I bought the very small digital scale Midway has been hawking for $20. It reads exactly the same as my triple beam, but takes less than half the time to do so and is much faster to "zero". (I have a limited amount of bench space so I can not leave the triple beam set up.) It runs on a little watch battery and since I double-check the weight it reads at the start of each reloading session, I don't anticipate that being much of a problem. Digital things tend to work, or not work...they rarely "sorta" work. (I'm in the same profession Mike is, sounds like.)

Maybe I just didn't have a good enough triple beam, but this little digital scale is way easier and faster, for the way I reload. The beautiful thing is, we all get to choose our own methods.
 

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I'll stick to the RCBS Uniflow manual dispenser, but I do have a PACT Digital scale and a RCBS 10-10 scale for a backup. The digital dispensers take up way too much room for my current bench with its 3 shotshell presses and 2 metallic presses.
 

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Hello Gents,

. . . Yeah I know the RCBS rules here but . . .
You really must visit this site more often as I believe Lee reloading equipment is the most popular here. There have been several "interesting" discussions on this topic in the past and probably more to come in the future.

One thing to remember is that we are all a brotherhood of reloaders and shooters regardless of whatever brand of equipment we personally favor.

Just my dos centavos, YMMV.:D
 

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I find a digital scale much faster than my RCBS beam scale. I bought a Dillonk(Terminator?) and did a lot checking of loads between the two and every single load was in incredibly close match so I go with the digital with the RCBS as backup. I also use the RCBS pan on the Dillon because the one that came with it has a horrible short spout that spills powder all over the bench. Anyone buying a Dillon should go buy an RCBS pan; the extra $20(in Ak anyway) is well worth it. Otherwise I like the Dillon very much, other than agreeing that the prices on these things are a royal ripoff.
 
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