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Hi Folks,

I have a EAB 97D in 375 WIN/HY (the way it appears on the barrel) but when I seek info on this gun I end up at a dead end. I was told by a ss shooter that it has a 375 Winchester chamber but the barrel is rifled with a 38-55 Winchester twist so as to handle lead bullets better. I did not know if that was true or not so I contacted EABCO by phone and spoke with a mister Brown (who could brush up on his people skills a little) who offered no input and seemed put off with being bothered by a lowly customer showing his ignorance. If I read the man wrong or we both "got up on the wrong side of the bed" is beside the point. I would like to know if there is a person or group of people who use this nifty little rifle and what they can tell me about it.

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An add on to yesterdays post. If my 375 WIN/HY has a 38-55 twist can I expect to get EABCO accuracy with jacketed bullets or am I going to have to stick with lead. Also, if I hunt it I suspect I have a pretty good rifle cartrige combo for whitetail deer size game out to 150YDS.. For target work I do not know what to expect. Any thoughts?
 

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Guess he hasn't changed much since I talked to him nearly twenty years ago. Was surely then when asked questions about his barrels and firearms. I buy some items from the business but will never do any serious business because of that first contact.
 

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You need to take a cleaning rod with patch and determine the twist of that barrel. Its easy to do and only you can perform the test. Asking others for something you can and should do yourself will only cloud the issue more that necessary.
 

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Hailstone,

Thank you for your reply. I was not asking what the twist of the 375 WIN/HY is but what your take might be on the 1 in 18 38-55 WCF over the 1 in 12 375 WIN twist for stablizing jacketed bullets. I would prefer the Ballard 1 in 20 if I were shooting strictly lead. The 1 in 12 seems awfully quick for either.

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do not double post topics. I have merged your two threads together.
 

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I lust after one of those rifles but every time I think I might actually appropriate the money I read about the man's manners again.

wip, I wish you well with your rifle and I wish you would let us know how it does. I might overcome my aversion one day. I really want a 30/30 AI or something like that.
 

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I lust after one of those rifles but every time I think I might actually appropriate the money I read about the man's manners again..
They do look real pretty in the pictures :confused:

I should just order one, and never speak to the owner?
 

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I have a 97D and have dealt with Eben quite a bit and he did turn me off and first. Too impatient, no salesmanship, and I don't like his cluttered website and catalog. But, the more I persisted the better he got and the rest of the staff there were great. I don't have any regrets.
 

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I'm going to add one more comment and people can take it for what it is worth and in no way am I justifying anyone's bad behavior. It seems that some very gifted people, those bordering on genius, can be very difficult and very impatient with us "average" folk. I have been around some of those in my life and I suspect Mr. Brown falls into that category. There's a little ego there, too, of course, but that, too, is average for really bright folk. My point is this: the Model 97D is a beautiful piece of workmanship in an age when people have largely forgotten what craftsmanship is. When I received mine I took it to a friend for inspection. This friend is a gunsmith and very competitive benchrest shooter. He inspected it, handled it, shot it on my range, then handed it back to me and said: "Finally, someone knows how to build a rifle." I saw Mr. Brown ridiculed on another popular hunting website before I bought my rifle and in dealing with him there was one time when I was ready to write him off, but I didn't and I'm glad. Does the E. Arthur Brown company badly need a different public face, a PR and sales person callers can talk to? Definitely. Is the rifle substandard or over-priced? Hardly. Where else can you get a hand made, almost custom rifle, for under $1000? Is choice of calibers confuses me, but again, this is the eccentricity of a detail-driven, iconoclastic benchrest shooter. If you want a 97D I would recommend people do their own research as to caliber and barrel length (simply go with the 22") and put in your order. I doubt you will be disappointed.
 

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Sunday,

I am sure you are probably right but I think I will trade out of my unfired 97D without starting to shoot it.

Wip
 
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