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Help, I'm bitten by the "skeet" bug and I'm poor! How can a bluecollar family man spend $1000+ on a o/u? I do well with my model 12 yet hunger for what I can't afford. Its a BAD bug! Anywhy this manufacture sells an o/u for under $400, would I be throwing my money away or is it a decent no frills gun? If you have any info good or bad please let me know (or know of another inexpensive gun?) Thanks everyone! Redbone
 

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For a decent Skeet gun.... find a used Rem 1100 or 1187, about 26" - 28" barrel, either fixed choke with an improved cylinder, or with the Rem Choke(and pick what constriction you like).

Last time I shot skeet... I went out with a friend-of-a-friend who had just purchased a $3,500 Beretta.... and I beat the pants off of him with a somewhat pitted 1100 that I picked up used for $200.
 

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I'm in full agreement with Mike. In the shotgun games the rise of the O/U has more to do with style and what the other guy is using than with functional substance. Heck I use a Remington 870 Express pump and can easily run 20-21 birds shooting once a month if I'm lucky! And that's with cheapo promotional loads to boot.

The EAA guns are made in Russia and are, to be polite, workmanlike. I've handled a couple at Gander Mountain and found them to be pretty rough. I've never shot one so can't vouch for their handling characteristics on the skeet field, but in the store they felt like a club. I think your money would be far better spent on a used pump or auto and a bunch of shells. Believe me it'll be a lot more fun shooting skeet than dry firing an O/U for the same money.
 

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If you love the look and feel of over and unders, then by all means get one, because you will never be happy until you do.  I hate them.  I think they look clunky in anything bigger than a 28 gauge, and when my left eye sees that huge hunk of barrel sticking out there it screams to my brain, "Don't fire!"  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
I will not quibble that O/Us have become "the" gun to own, but I do not believe that is based on anything other than the current fad.  I am not saying there is anything wrong with them, only that they are not the only gun you can shoot skeet with successfully.
I'd sure consider an 1100.  It's been 27 years, but I sure used to burn them up pretty fair on the skeet field with mine.
 

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Redbone, I work part time in a gun shop (we still have a couple left in Calif) and a Pres. from one of the duck clubs down around Marysville bought one  and after showing it around we wound up selling 17 more of them to members. These are guys that are Drs, Lawyers, and other over paid people. Most of them carry enough pocket change they could buy Win 101 and ETC...they all seem to like the way they handle and so forth. I got an old beat up mod 12, and a mossberg pump with two bbls and can fairly hold my own with the boys with the O/U on some of my better days. An O/U I have always thought about but  just wont turn loose of the Green Folding for one. Would rather spend it on reloading componets, or mayby save it long enought and buy another hand gun. Most of the guys that I know that have O/U only bought them for status, because they watch the guys on TV shoot them

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I'll have to concur with the thought of shooting your model 12 for the time being.  You can be mighty competitive with it, and if you look back to the photos of the national skeet champions of the mid 50's many were shooting model 12's with Cutts Compensators on them! It was and still is a great shotgun.

Now, about the Bakail Russian gun.  I've handled them quite a bit, and even took the buttstock off of one for a quick look at the inner workings.  They are crude!  I don't like the auto safety clicking on every time the action's opened, and the design of the linkage precludes any efficent way of disconnecting it.... it's an itegral part of the system.  The trigger and sear assemblies are ruggedly functional, but rough, crudely designed and not user friendly to improvement.  

The most important part of a shotgun's effectiveness is it's pointability, it should mount and point without thought or effort.  The Bakail O/U guns are simply boxy utilitarian guns without any of the fine pointability qualities that make a great shooting smoothbore.

Another option would be to look at the used market.  I went to a gunshow last weekend in Spokane Washington, and saw at least three Browning Citori Field Grade guns, three inch, but with fixed chokes (pre Invector and Invector Plus) in honest used condition, not beat up, and wonderfully servicable, for around the 500 dollar mark!  I would MUCH rather have one of these fine guns that points so very, very well, for an extra hundred bucks, than a commie made mass produced excuse that won't even have parts available in five or ten years should something break.

Ouch!  Sorry, a hot button just got hit!  I'll step off the soap-box now!

God Bless,

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Marshall, have never fired one of the russkies, nor taken one apart. We happen to get some in from our supplier and put them up on the rack with all the other shotguns. Some place in my brothers safe he has a early Citory that he keeps telling me he's gonna sell, but just hasant gotten around to it. He is a non-shooter, just happens to have several nice guns he picked up for a song while he was living in Reno, and somebody needed money (slot machine?) bad. I'am with you my mod 12, has done anything I ever needed and will continue to do same for me. The Mossberg I won in a drawing and kept it because of the slug barrell, nice item to clean off the porch or yard ifin I ever need to. All but one gun I own is made in the USA, and my jeep and P/U are made in the USA.
Like you said in a few years, wont be able to find parts for the russkies, or anybody that even remembers what they were.
Spent 20 yrs keeping the American flag up, and spend all my money (what little I have left after bills) in the USA.

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