Felon = NO GUNS EVER. NO VOTING EVER.
Felons and guns
Just a topic i was thinking about and wanted your thoughts... should a felon be allowed a firearm? My thought is if it's a non violent felon, it should not affect their gun rights, as far as violent.. i think it should depend on the situation. OK, what are all your thoughts?
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Non violent is ok. For voting too
I think non violent should have the right to show they have successfully rehabilitated... violent offenders maybe, based upon what it was.
There are more people out there not getting caught that still have all their rights in tact that do more bad things than people who are labeled as felons. I know a 55 year old guy who was slapped with a non violent felony when he was 21. Hasn't ever been in trouble since. Just a stupid youthful mistake.
There are more people out there not getting caught that still have all their rights in tact that do more bad things than people who are labeled as felons. I know a 55 year old guy who was slapped with a non violent felony when he was 21. Hasn't ever been in trouble since. Just a stupid youthful mistake.
This question would be easier to address...
if EVERY state had as a violation of federal civil rights punishment, a mandatory special circumstance DEATH SENTENCE --- PERIOD---
the world would make a lot more sense and we all would be a lot happier.
if EVERY state had as a violation of federal civil rights punishment, a mandatory special circumstance DEATH SENTENCE --- PERIOD---
the world would make a lot more sense and we all would be a lot happier.
Do an archives search - this topic has been beaten to death previously.
The fundamental problem with this statement, is that this view is that Federal law is infallible.if EVERY state had as a violation of federal civil rights punishment, a mandatory special circumstance DEATH SENTENCE --- PERIOD---
the world would make a lot more sense and we all would be a lot happier.
Laws are CONSTANTLY being changed or added with the general or sometimes political notions of the day. For a bit of a random history type example with current roots, look at Thomas Jefferson. His memoir recounts his favorite time in life was sitting on his porch smoking marijuana. The Government in fact encouraged private growth, for a very long time. Scheduling it as no medical purpose was at best a very political movement, in very recent times. Same with LSD, Bayer was concerned that due to the Governments studies that showed large amounts of brain tissue damage from Aspirin use, that they needed to find an alternative. In the studies done from the time of discovery, the worst brain tissue damage came from Aspirin, followed by Caffene, and no detectable damage from LSD. LSD has and continues to be used as a migrane treatment under licensed trials.
Take a more relevant thing, look at a young kid who just gets his drivers license. He is out here in the farm country, on a back road. If he tries to do a burn out and see what his car/truck has for power, a cop watches him do it; that is reckless driving which is a felony.
As Trent12 stated, that young 16 year old had absolutely no intention of doing harm to anyone, that's why he went out into the country, Does his action somehow mean that he would forever be a curse on society? That he would never grow-up and be any form of productive?
Your ancestors ABSOLUTELY KNEW, that the sun rotated around the earth. Imagine what you will know for ABSOLUTE, tommorrow.
So what are you going to do when they order you to turn in your firearms or be declared a felon. You just going to roll up in a ball, suck your thumb and surrender?Felon = NO GUNS EVER. NO VOTING EVER.
You don't seem to appreciate the need....
... Darkker,,,for some absolute path to justice for the extreme behaviors we sometimes see. It makes people feel secure and hopeful that there is a purpose to life. I was a little surprised that you would be one of those trying to muddy the concept with 'WHAT-IFS", unless of coarse you like the drama and suspense of uncertainty --- try to stay on the straight & narrow & you'll be better off and a lot happier.
... Darkker,,,for some absolute path to justice for the extreme behaviors we sometimes see. It makes people feel secure and hopeful that there is a purpose to life. I was a little surprised that you would be one of those trying to muddy the concept with 'WHAT-IFS", unless of coarse you like the drama and suspense of uncertainty --- try to stay on the straight & narrow & you'll be better off and a lot happier.
Non-violent gets guns? How about someone like Bernie Madoff? Non-violent buy he swindled thousands of people out of a couple of billion dollars. I say no to any felon ever getting a gun. Hey, don't do the crime if you can't take the consequences. A felony isn't an accident.
This is a tough one for me as I feel that sometimes it's a one time mistake of minimal severity.
For example if someone is convicted of a violent offence I feel strongly that they have demonstrated a diminished mental capacity that impairs their ability to manage anger, and the offence resulted in no less than 1 yr. incarceration, then flat out no, never.
But depending on the circumstances, in other words the offence was not such that it was a deliberate and seriously violent event as follows;
If the offence was such that they were young, intoxicated, and acted while impaired, and the offence was something along the line of a fist fight or common physical altercation not involving a weapon of any sort, and was not plotted or in any way premeditated. Additionally, that the victim was not seriously injured or suffered permanent injuries resulting in disability. Also that they have long since abstained from substance abuse and have not had a single repeat offence over say a 5 year span, that they should at least be evaluated and considered. But that if they should ever cross that line again their 2A and right to vote be indefinitely stripped from them without exception.
I do have a different opinion regarding individuals who have had a long, and, or repetitous history of substance abise, to include alcohol and drugs, that they should not be restored. People act irresponsibly and without consideration of others when intoxicated or under the influence of any substance. Therefore I opine that alcoholism and drug addition are condition that I feel strongly about when it concerns constitutional rights, as well as the right to drive.
As for a guy that was busted with personal use marijuana, did not serve more than 6 months in jail / prison, meaning that based on the quantity and circumstances, that he or she was not charged with intent to sell or distribute, then I think yes, they should be considered after 5 years of no repeat criminal offences of any type, in other word they have lived as law abiding citizen.
SMOA
For example if someone is convicted of a violent offence I feel strongly that they have demonstrated a diminished mental capacity that impairs their ability to manage anger, and the offence resulted in no less than 1 yr. incarceration, then flat out no, never.
But depending on the circumstances, in other words the offence was not such that it was a deliberate and seriously violent event as follows;
If the offence was such that they were young, intoxicated, and acted while impaired, and the offence was something along the line of a fist fight or common physical altercation not involving a weapon of any sort, and was not plotted or in any way premeditated. Additionally, that the victim was not seriously injured or suffered permanent injuries resulting in disability. Also that they have long since abstained from substance abuse and have not had a single repeat offence over say a 5 year span, that they should at least be evaluated and considered. But that if they should ever cross that line again their 2A and right to vote be indefinitely stripped from them without exception.
I do have a different opinion regarding individuals who have had a long, and, or repetitous history of substance abise, to include alcohol and drugs, that they should not be restored. People act irresponsibly and without consideration of others when intoxicated or under the influence of any substance. Therefore I opine that alcoholism and drug addition are condition that I feel strongly about when it concerns constitutional rights, as well as the right to drive.
As for a guy that was busted with personal use marijuana, did not serve more than 6 months in jail / prison, meaning that based on the quantity and circumstances, that he or she was not charged with intent to sell or distribute, then I think yes, they should be considered after 5 years of no repeat criminal offences of any type, in other word they have lived as law abiding citizen.
SMOA
No guns or voting? Oh the horror.
An illegally obtained gun will still be just as easy to get. Think they give a **** about voting? Hit em where it hurts, take away the Obama phone. We will give them free housing, welfare, Obama care, food stamps, yada, yada. There's plenty of menial infrastructure work needed. Provide jobs not handouts. Make them earn their keep. For NON violent felons, after holding job & staying clean & crime free for a while, MAYBE a hunting rifle/shotgun, for sporting purposes after a strict vetting process. I think they could manage to get by without a handgun. The recent TV commercial of a woman complaining that her Gov't provided housing is lacking, makes me sick. As my parents told me: "you can have whatever you want, but you better get a job & start saving your $ now".
An illegally obtained gun will still be just as easy to get. Think they give a **** about voting? Hit em where it hurts, take away the Obama phone. We will give them free housing, welfare, Obama care, food stamps, yada, yada. There's plenty of menial infrastructure work needed. Provide jobs not handouts. Make them earn their keep. For NON violent felons, after holding job & staying clean & crime free for a while, MAYBE a hunting rifle/shotgun, for sporting purposes after a strict vetting process. I think they could manage to get by without a handgun. The recent TV commercial of a woman complaining that her Gov't provided housing is lacking, makes me sick. As my parents told me: "you can have whatever you want, but you better get a job & start saving your $ now".
While, of course, the circumstances leading up to the felony should be considered, in Florida, at least, the petitioner (ex-felon) should re-enter society for a period of ten years. After this time, he/she may petition the state for a restoration of rights. While I feel it should be twenty years, in principle I agree that the idea has merit, and that there are indeed those who are truly "one time offenders". I really don't feel that this position is too far off center in a political sense, either, as I am certainly no liberal-but have actually seen it, and the consequences that take place as a result. So, I'd say................................it depends!
Provide them with the same thing we all got...
when we were born.......an opportunity to thrive. As far as firearms -- they've just proved they can survive in a threatening environment without a weapon.
when we were born.......an opportunity to thrive. As far as firearms -- they've just proved they can survive in a threatening environment without a weapon.
What that had to do with the original question posed by the OP is exactly nothing. What you appear to know about me is also exactly nothing.So what are you going to do when they order you to turn in your firearms or be declared a felon. You just going to roll up in a ball, suck your thumb and surrender?
that senerio has already played out.....
the events took place on the first day of the American Revolution
Google: Jason Russell house/ Arlington Historical SocietySo what are you going to do when they order you to turn in your firearms or be declared a felon. You just going to roll up in a ball, suck your thumb and surrender?
the events took place on the first day of the American Revolution
Those extreme behaviours you sometimed see, exist as fact. Pretending they don't so you can curl up with your blanket and feel good about yourself and your purpose in life, don't help anything.... Darkker,,,for some absolute path to justice for the extreme behaviors we sometimes see. It makes people feel secure and hopeful that there is a purpose to life. I was a little surprised that you would be one of those trying to muddy the concept with 'WHAT-IFS", unless of coarse you like the drama and suspense of uncertainty --- try to stay on the straight & narrow & you'll be better off and a lot happier.
I'm not muddying anything, I'm speaking reality, that people who believe in magic, and absolutes forget. So answer my question, absolutely, as you like to see the world; would you subject that 16 year old to death for spinning his tires? Would you strip him of his rights to vote or defend himself for life?
Pretending you are on this magic "straight and narrow" is simply a justification, when you realize your absolute, isn't maybe as clear as you first thought; which is exactly what I cautioned about in my post. Imagine what you'll "know" tomorrow.
Tell me your church is infallible, I'll show you your priests are diddleing children. Tell me your laws are absolute, I'll show you an exception.
Pretending these outliers don't exist so you can not have to adapt and still feel good about yourself is wrong and frankly cowardly. Reminds me of the "Inherit The Wind" line... "I don't think about, what i don't think about!". And that's no lie with absolutists.... Forest for the trees.
I think everyone has this idea that a felony is some sort of major offense. Such as murder, rape, assault. There are actually some states that have pretty minor crimes as felonies. You'd be surprised. Like Darkker is trying to say. In some states, a 16 year old kid doing doughnuts in an empty parking lot or out in the middle of nowhere can get tagged with a felony in a lot of states. You'd be surprised at what is and isn't a felony in some states.
A felony is not always a major crime anymore.
A felony is not always a major crime anymore.
There is a person running for the office of the President of these United States of America that is purdy good testimony to that statement.A felony is not always a major crime anymore.
Cheezywan
There are only a few states that do not allow felons to vote.
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