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Hello again,

I was out picking up some reloading stuff, and I noticed a revolver the shop had in. So here I am again asking ?'s

This gun I'm looking at is a colt double acting revolver. It is chambered for 455 Eley??  

My question is ,,, could it be rechambered easy? or could I cut down some 45 LC to use in it or possibly 45 Auto rim. The gunshop owner said he had 2 of them, the other one was sold to a lad who is using 45ACP in it using some type of rings? I can get tis gun cheap "really cheap"! and was just wondering if it would be worth my while. I haven't been able to find any info about it anywhere else.  

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Snowman,

Such a firearm in its original 455 Webley/Eley chambering could be somewhat of a rare collectable.  Depending on condition and particulars of this individual Colt, the gun could be worth a great deal more than a dealer illversed in New Service minutae may realize. When you say you can get it cheap, how cheap is cheap? What is the condition of the weapon? What are its features- barrel length, finish, grips, etc.?

Rechambering these guns to .45 ACP was quite common in the 1950s and 60s. The cylinder is too short for conversion to .45 Colt. The "rings" the dealer mentioned are called moon clips. They are thin metal, shaped somewhat star-like, and hold six cartridges at a time in the extractor grooves.

Myself I would buy it, but keep it as a .455 for collector value and inestimable "cool factor." Brass, while somewhat expensive, is obtainable. Most .45 caliber cast bullets will work fine. Heavier weight slugs, 250-270 grains, will shoot closer to the sights than the typical 185-230's of the .45 ACP.

I hope this is of some help.
 

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Hi, Snowman:
  A friend scrounged enough .455 Colt Dominion brass at gunshows to keep his Webley shooting. C-I-L (Dominion) made it up to the `70s or later. Their 1971 catalogue says it's "For revolvers designated .455, 455 Eley, 455 Webley MK II or British Service Revolver No.1" If you buy it, I'll get his load data for you.

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The first thing to check out on this revolver is whether or not it is still chambered for the .455? If the dealer had two and the other one sold is being shot with 45 ACP in half moon clips, its been converted. I had, of all things, a S&W Triple lock with British proofs and marked .445, that had been butchered. Many of these fine guns had the rear of the cylinder cut back to clear the rim on the 45 Automatic Rimmed and .45 ACP with clips. This was due to the very thin rim on the .455. The barrels on the .455 ran .454"/.455" and I never saw one that shot the 45 ACP or 45 AR worth a d#@&8! The same butchering was done on the graet old Webley break tops. Sad, Sad as Fiocchi still makes the .445 with Boxer primers!
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Thanks to Mr. Gates yet again. I had completely forgotten about Fiocchi for new factory ammo. I believe Cheaper Than Dirt has it for sale via mail or over the web. The Sportsman's Guide may also, as certainly would The Old Western Scrounger.

Mr. Gates is also correct in exercising caution. Many .455's converted to .45 ACP were indeed butcher jobs. I saw one on an otherwise NRA 85+% original condition Webley with birdshead grip and 4" barrel that was so poor, one could wiggle the moon clips side to side. The cylinder rear was that badly cut at an angle.

But let's hope this is an unconverted gun and keep it that way. In fact, Snowman if you decide not to purchase this gun could you send me a Messenger note on its particulars and the dealer's name? I may well pick it up if you decide to pass. I had a similar Model 1909 Colt New Service in .45 Colt. Other than an excellent reblue job, it was original and in fine shooting order. I bought it for &#36250. I was a fool to sell it and would like another New Service shooter to replace it.
 

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Right you all are!...It's a crying shame what was done to those fine old break-tops! I remember when the market was flooded with them. Some shooters ran a reamer through the barrel just deep enough to remove the lands. Then bored the chambers straight. Then took .30-06 cases a cut them chamber length and loaded them like little shotshells. The half moon clips held them in place. Made an interesting camp pot meat gun. Of course, this was done with handguns that had been butchered up to shoot .45 ACP. I always liked that 4" birdhead grip model. If I had an unconverted one now, I would load the Fiocchi brass and pack it! They were fine rugged firearms!
Best Regards, James
 

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Well guys thanks for the advice.  I took the plunge and bought the gun. It is in it's original caliber of .455 Eley. I also had him order me a box of cartridges for it and a set of reloading dies. Any info on reloading for it would be greatly apprecaited. Now all I have to do is wait for the Canadian government to spend the next 2 months clearing all the paper work on it so I can bring it home. It is in really good condition, and works excellant. They had a special on and he threw in a holster and cleaning kit. I never realised before all the fun with getting liscenced up here for handguns or I might have just let it go,,but that is another whole story.
 

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Hi, Snowman:
   Alliant has some loads for 220 and 265 grain bullets with most of their fast powders. 4.4 grains of Unique gives 800 fps with the 200 and 4.3 grains of Unique gives 710 fps with the 265. 6.8 grains of Blue Dot gives 770 fps with the 265. This is equal to Dominion's load. CCI 300 primer, case make not given.

   My friend uses a Lyman 457196 bullet, which at 290 grains, shoots high unless he loads really slow. Lyman doesn't make that mould now anyhow.

   I'm not a cast bullet expert, but I'd suggest a 250 grain bullet sized .454 or unsized. Somebody here probably has a better idea.

    I know all about Canadian handgun licensing. It will be a LITTLE bit easier with your next one. You are a member of the National Firearms Association, aren't you? If you're not, click here:
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As an adendum to this topic, I just found a very nice S&W Hand Ejector in .455 Eley for &#36395. Now that I know components are somewhat readily available, it's looking rather appealing!
 

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Well here I am again. I finally am in the final steps to aquiring my revolver's. The gentleman I purchased the colt from, phoned me last week and asked if I would be interested in another .455 caliber revolver, turned out to be a S&W hand eject model. I would like to take this time to thank you fine folks again for your opinions and advice. I have been in the process of our liscencing system since november of last year, and it was becoming fairly discouraging. I just heard that my ATT permit should be in the mail in the next week or so, and I will probably be pestering you all again in the near future with more questions.
 
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