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Tnhunter,

ONCE MORE, what does "immediately" mean in your mind??
(Do you rudely tell the counter agent to "SHUT UP", so that you can tell him/her that you have a firearm??)
I read "immediately" to be: As soon as reasonably possible.

I've flown probably as many miles as many an airline flight attendant, over the last 30+ years (and at Uncle Sam's expense) & have had the TSA look at my firearms MANY times. - Sometimes, I think they were "just curious" about what I was shipping.
(I often traveled with a 12-gauge Model 870 riot-gun, a Ruger Ranch Rifle in 7.62x39mm, a brace of 9mm BHP pistols, my "trusty" Model 12 "snubbie" & a locked metal box of ammo, if I was on extended TDY & working a drug case. - Often my guns & ammo weighed more than my other baggage.)

ADDENDA: I should also ask, are you a member of one of the 50 State's bars??

yours, satx
 

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We're not connecting well here. When I approach the desk, I say " Hello, I am traveling with a firearm". Works well, easy peasy.
 

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Tnhunter,

When you approach the desk & she says "blah, blah, blah" ad nauseum, do you interrupt her?
(You're 100% correct. - We are NOT seeing the same requirement the same.)

Given my experience (mentioned above) with American Airlines' "crazy lady", who nearly started a stampede in the BWI AP, I think that the law should be changed to tell ONLY the TSA, who is used to dealing with firearms in luggage.
(I was seriously afraid that the 1st LEO on the scene might well show up with a firearm pointed at me & perhaps shot by a "trigger-happy" officer. - I regard myself as LUCKY that the SGT had commonsense & was NOT panicked by her loony screams.)

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You tell the airline counter that you are traveling with a firearm. Absent stupid panic on their part (never had that happen but I don't doubt it), they are supposed to ask you if it is unloaded, then have you fill out a form stating it is unloaded. Then they are supposed to call the TSA over to inspect.

I've always had the TSA open the case and at least visually inspect, though they never picked up the firearms. Sometimes the TSA guys were friendly (in hunting areas) and asked me where I was going, etc. Sometimes they were dead serious. Once the airline guys saw I had TSA locks and just tossed it on the conveyor belt and said "they'll check it in the back."

The procedure does vary from airport to airport, depending on how the airport is laid out.

Just wait till the airline counter attendant stops to draw breath and tell her you are declaring a firearm and it should go just fine.

Remember, wait for the TSA guy to tell you what to do (as far as when/if to unlock your gun case, and so on).

Good luck.
 

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I was going to fly with firearms. I drove the 2400 miles, instead. Took longer, but the hassle was reduced by 99.999999 percent. I think I chose the better way to travel with the guns I had...
 

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Having flown out of LaGuardia for over 25 years with guns and dogs I have some experience with the situation here. It is never the same 2 times in a row. It has gotten so bad that after almost missing my flight 2 years in a row, I started leaving a shotgun at my destination since I return there every year. The rules are relatively straightforward, it is the personnel that often are not up to speed especially at the ticket counter. You cant blame them most of these people only see guns on tv and that's all they know. I agree with ups route, it is perfectly legal to ship a long gun to yourself interstate. I advise to not to identify it as a gun (I always say "parts"). The hardest part for me is finding a suitable box!
 

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Even the way we immediately "announce" can make a difference. As a counter person at the airport would you prefer:
"I have a gun..."
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"I need to declare a firearm"
 

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I now only fly on average about twice a year and always with EasyJet out of Stansted but my journeys to Texas and the Mid West usually started at Birmingham BHX. I always immediately say "I have some sporting firearms to book in" the Manager at the desk will the allot me a check in girl and advise her how to fill the forms etc if she shows any sign of not knowing and I often help as well, which they appreciate. I am VERY careful she does not wiz the bag containing my ammo down the shoot because that has to go around to the big xray machine and be checked through there. It happened once and we finished running all the way to the plane and fortunately the staff at the check in had told the plane and they were waiting for us .... "No Panic Sir, this is your seat? Time to panic is when you see us lift off. Would you like a drink as soon as the pilot gives us clearance ? :) " You see easyjet have a speedy boarding arrangement. You pay an additional $35 and you get the service. Brilliant and well worth the money.
Last time I checked in at Birmingham BHX the initial security guy checked my passport and I gave him the news, he looked to his left where the lady desk managers desk is and she took one look at me and my wife and said " No problem, he's a regular" It had been twelve months since I last flew. I was impressed.

Usually talk to them nicely ...like, "Hah, thank goodness your on duty, got to book my rifle on board and last time you was the only one who knew how to do it, how are you keeping ..BIG SMILE!! " The last time I did that at London Stansted, I went through fully escorted like First Class, the other passengers wondered who I was.

... MY wife says I conned her into marrying me :)

Speak to them nicely and you will usually get a good response and body language helps a lot as well.
 

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. . . check-in girl...
I gotta call you one that one, Constable. Calling the agent a "girl" is sexist. Oh, cobblers! I really don't care if the agent is a girl, boy, man or woman. To me, it's how well the person does the job. I just had to throw in a little sexist-political agitation to illustrate the lunacy of the whole PC idea...
 

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What kind of locks for TSA?

NV Shooter:

This thread has been around a while but is important enough to respond. I fly 2 to 3 times a year with guns across country.I have never had an issue with TSA or the airlines I use (Southwest, Delta, American, United) You can use any lock you wish. I formerly always used the cheap TSA stamped combination locks. However, for last 2 years I have used sturdy keyed locks that are far more tamper resistant. However, I would have a couple of cheap TSA locks available just in case. (Not all agents understand the regulations.)The routine is as follows:
1. You wheel your gun case to airline info desk. When it is your turn, agent will ask you to open case.
2. You fill out the TSA ID card, acknowledging you understand and are abiding by regulations.
3. You place ID card in case and lock it up.
4. You take it over to TSA inspection station. They may ask you to hang around for 10-15 minutes, in case they have questions, but normally, this is just a formality and they never call you. If they don't call you, you can then proceed through security to your gate.
5. At your destination, your gun case will typically go to the airline's lost and found office. Case will not be put on baggage carousel.

A few tips to make sure things go smoothly:
Open or remove bolt and remove magazine. I put my bolt and magazine in old socks for protection.
You can pack ammo in same case as guns. If you pack ammo, it is best to use factory boxes. I have had an agent question my use of plastic reloader's boxes, but after checking regulations, they allowed me to proceed. You are limited to 11 pounds (5 Kg) of ammo, and entire case and contents must be less than 50 pounds or you will be charged an overweight baggage fee, which can be steep. I caution you on this because I use the Pelican cases and they are quite robust but also quite heavy. However, 2 scoped rifles, binoculars, range finder, and a couple boxes of ammo typically tip the scales at around 46 pounds for my set-up.

It really is not a big deal to fly with guns today. Just be polite, review the TSA and specific airline regulations, and arrive a bit earlier than you normally would. Good luck.
 

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Use factory boxes, period, if you want to be assured of getting through. I know that sometimes the TSA will allow plastic slip-top boxes that reloaders use, but I also know of one incident where the ammo was confiscated.

Scrounge up some old boxes from the range trash bin if you have to. Slip-top boxes are not the issue - Garrett Cartridges of Texas uses them. But they have a factory 'label' and that will prevent issues.

They really don't even care if the box is labeled the same, within reason. .44 special ammo in a factory .44 mag box passes muster. ;)
 

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Certain airlines flying Heathrow to South Africa are a bit twitchy so my friend tells me and insist on all ammo being in a LOCKED METAL box. I have a single plastic pistol box which holds four of the MTM 'wallet style' nine shot boxes, 36 rounds in total and never had a problem flying to Europe with these from the UK. They will also happily fly ammo in factory boxes. These, all safely stashed in the middle of your clothes and that bag then has a FIREARM tag attached, which I always thought stupid because it draws attention to the bag for any likely thief ... you don't have thieves on your airports ????? ....then your lucky.
 

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Okay I have had recent experience in flying with guns taking two shotguns from my grandfather to my uncle from Iowa to North Carolina. I used my pelican and did not have any special locks. I asked the guys in the Des Moines airport what kind of locks were needed, and he said that the so called "TSA locks" are a waste of money and a marketing ploy. Any key lock can be used, just be there when they check it and have the key ready to unlock it for them.

And all airlines have a rule, I am not sure if it is law or not, but all airlines have a rule that no ammo may be shipped in the case with the gun, and many airlines won't let you have ammo in your luggage period.

I got the pelican 1750 on amazon for $189 this winter and it was a very good purchase. Protected the family Heirlooms from the destruction engineers called baggage handlers.

If you take away nothing else, it's that you shouldn't get TSA locks. Just use your normal master padlocks and have the key ready during checking.
 

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I have not flown w/ guns.

I have read many times that ammo was allowed on airplanes so long as it was in orig cardboard boxes, maybe even for a different caliber. Plastic boxes are sometimes allowed.

Airline emp like to make up rules as they go.
 

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It may depend on the airline but 3 months ago I flew with 2 rifles and a handgun in a Pelican case. It also had over 100 rounds of ammo in the same master case (though the ammo was in a separate case of it's own in the Pelican case. As long as it fits their posted rules, Southwest is fine with it. By in large I just stay within TSA's and the individual airline's rules and do not offer any information or questions beyond what is required. YMMV but in the last 8 Southwest flights with guns it has been smooth and trouble free.
 

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Have flown twice to Alaska from NC on Delta. Carried 12 ga ammo in factory boxes and .41 mag ammo in MTM plastic boxes all inside my Pelican case with the guns.



Special Items | Baggage : Delta Air Lines


Call and check with your airline prior to traveling and check the local ordanances.


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Have flown twice to Alaska from NC on Delta. Carried 12 ga ammo in factory boxes and .41 mag ammo in MTM plastic boxes all inside my Pelican case with the guns.



Special Items | Baggage : Delta Air Lines


Call and check with your airline prior to traveling and check the local ordanances.


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The way you are packing your firearms and ammo is fine with TSA (and Alaska aand NC, I presume). But if you landed in California with that arrangement, it would be illegal and subject you to criminal liability in the state. Again, make sure you not only follow TSA rules but also the laws in the state/country of departure and arrival.
 

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Way back in 1967 I flew to Fairbanks. I saw the gun case go onto the plane. When we arrived I waited for the gun on the baggage device--no gun.. Checked around and finally found it in the office.

Many smaller boxes were being unloaded. Box after box-all the same size. Finally I had to ask-"what is in those boxes?" Potatoe chips I found out.

One poor fellow had a bag that looked like his but was not-full of womens undies and NOT his wool longjohns, and he wanted to go hinting in the am?? They told him, someone will realize their mistake and bring the suitcase back, sooner or later. yuk
 

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And all airlines have a rule, I am not sure if it is law or not, but all airlines have a rule that no ammo may be shipped in the case with the gun, and many airlines won't let you have ammo in your luggage period.
Delta did not restrict having ammo in our luggage to South Africa. It was in Pelican ammo boxes in the luggage, but it was not prohibited. That was 2014, however, and we all know how politicians and some airlines are anti-gun/hunting and like to change things up to make it more difficult.

I have seen no alerts from the NRA to any such legislation. If an airline has any such rules, then they may be limiting their potential customer base.
 

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Can't pack ammo with guns in same case???

Shawn;

I have not found it to be true that you cannot ship ammo with guns. I pack ammo in same case as guns all the time and have never had an issue. I fly into and out of California and have never had an issue with this in CA, CO, MS, Louisiana, or Tennessee.
 
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