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I am saddened by the Episcopal Curch's decision to allow an unrepentant sinner to serve as Bishop. The Word of God plainly states in both the Old and New Testaments that the homosexual act is a sin like any other sexual sin.

Paul's instruction to Timothy plainly states the requirements for candidates for pastoral service. It is plain that any person living in an unrepentant state, be it an adulturous relationship, homosexuality, drunkedness, etc, cannot serve in this capacity.

Yet, this denomination has chosen to overturn the Word of God and instead chooses to please men, saying that the prohibition against such sins are: "old fashioned", "not in pace with the realities of today".

What a victory for the forces of satan!
 

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I too was not only disappointed, but alarmed at such outright disregard for the Word of God. Clearly the scriptures, both old and new testament condemn sodomy in the most vehement way. Love the sinner, yes, and lead them from their errors, but not embrace open rebellion to God and His Word. Repentence is just that, turning from one's sin. Unrepentent sin cannot be tolerated by a Holy God, nor by his people.

Interesting that in the scriptures, sodomy was one of those sins punishable by death.... stoning. The ORIGINAL rock party! Seems when men didn't do the task, and prosecute sodomy as per God's instruction, God took the task to hand Himself, as we will recall the fate of Sodom and Gamorah.

I pray that our clerical herarchy aren't setting us up for similar judgement from a Holy God by their actions

May God Bless us, guide us, and protect us!

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I guess what really bothers me about this situation is that this gay bishop represents the tip of a big iceberg. Of course the news reports this like a big suprise. Were there not already gay priest/pastors in the church? So I suppose homosexual activety was generally approved of in at least a significant part of the ruling body of the church. So, it seems to me that what has happened is a very natural progression of a significant part of the Episcopal church. Though it is totally wrong, it is pretty predictable.

I was wondering what is missing in at least a big part of the Episcopal church. I think it's love. Jesus summed up the prophets when he said,(a bit of paraphrasing here) "love the Lord with all your strength, all your mind and all your body. Also love others as you want to be loved." It seems a lot of the church would rather accept anothers sin than to love others enough to help/correct them. That takes a lot of work and is very humbling. It also requires going back to the throne of grace to seek God's help and blessings. That takes a lot of prayer and humbling ourselves before God. At least in my experience, that ofter hurts. In the short term, it's so much easier to accept sin when we ourselves are not willing to do what Jesus demands. And of course, the gay priests/pastors are also unwilling to love God, themselves or others enough to put God first. No matter what, the word of God is true. We love the sinner and hate the sin. I think we all need to love the sinners as Jesus loved the sinners (all of us). It's a lot easier to judge than to love and pray for others. Something about the speck and the log.


I have often told my students that Lucifer did not get kicked out of Heaven for drinking, smoking, gambling or wearing bluejeans to church. It was pride. Pride is declaring yourself to be your own authority or godhead. The very same kind of pride that we all have to deal with every day on Earth. Where love is master (we should call that the love of Christ), pride is not a issue. Where pride is the ruler, there is no time for Jesus. Then darkness decends.

In all truth, I am not picking on the Episcopalian church specifically. Pride rules many churches. As soon as we take our eyes of Jesus, we slide into pride. Sometimes it's all at once and sometimes is slow, like a hazy dawn. The situation here is a terrible mockery of what is right. It's just my observation that the roots of this sin (pride) run deep all over. Maybe this gay bishop thing is a wakeup call, but waking up will requires us to get the "log" out of our own eyes first. Only done thru a close binding relationshipe with Jesus Christ. Then you will see change for the better.

Not to pick on anybody but I just felt the need to get this off my chest.

Blessings.......... Bill
 

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I have often told my students that Lucifer did not get kicked out of Heaven for drinking, smoking, gambling or wearing bluejeans to church. It was pride. Pride is declaring yourself to be your own authority or godhead. The very same kind of pride that we all have to deal with every day on Earth. Where love is master (we should call that the love of Christ), pride is not a issue. Where pride is the ruler, there is no time for Jesus. Then darkness decends.
Well said Bill.

God Bless,
 

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In the last days it will be like the days of Job and I beleive that Sodom was during that time. Satan and the Hollywooders use the system of the frog in the pot. Little by little the heet is turned up untill it's to late for the frog. Look at all the sitcoms that are coming out about the homosexual lifestyle as being a cool way to live, I have this to say about that
He is coming back.
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While confirming him was certainly bad, the fact that he was allowed to "minister" for thirteen years, while living in this sin, is what is truly shocking. Why were none of them outraged by this? Where was the hue and cry that this type of degenerate was still permitted to preach and teach?

Luke 17:28 - Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot.....
 

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Signs of the times I'm sad to say. We were to told to be watchful for such events prior to His coming.

Lord Jesus, do come quickly.
 

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WHAT'S WRONG WITH A HOMOSEXUAL BISHOP?




By Paul Proctor

August 15, 2003

NewsWithViews.com

What is everyone so upset about? Every Christian web site I’ve been to this week is reeling in outrage over the new homosexual bishop. I don’t understand. Don’t we want everybody to come to church? Don’t we want everybody to feel comfortable and included? Don’t we want the church be relevant to the culture? Isn’t Christianity supposed to be fun? If homosexuals are so charming and adorable Monday through Saturday – why not on Sunday? If you find them funny and entertaining on stage, in the movies, on TV, in the mall, at school, at parties, in restaurants and at work, why aren’t they funny and entertaining in a church pulpit?

If society is screaming loud and clear that GAY IS THE WAY, isn’t it only prudent that we Christians educate ourselves on the latest trends and prepare for change? If we’re going to adapt and accommodate the queer community, (and we ARE a community oriented church, are we not) shouldn’t we be getting our act together like the Episcopalians, the Methodists and the Presbyterians and start being a little more flexible and creative? Don’t we want to keep growing and avoid the stagnancy and stuffiness of traditionalism?

If the next big thing is to celebrate and embrace “alternative lifestyles”, we had better rethink our way of doing church and retool our facilities accordingly or be left behind. Maybe YOU are a “metrosexual” instead of a heterosexual and just don’t know it yet or are unsure. If you are, you might actually be a homosexual in hiding, just waiting for a little encouragement, affirmation and experimentation to bring you out of the closet and into the brave new world. The church should be able to help you with that process.

Haven’t you heard? Being queer is not a bad thing anymore. We’re past all that now. We’ve progressed in an atmosphere of tolerance, diversity and unity. Therefore, it only stands to reason that homosexuality must be a god thing, right? And OH what a mighty work he’s doing! AMEN?

If 10% of the general population is “gay”, (and we know that percentage must be accurate because Dr. Kinsey and the mainstream media wouldn’t lie to us), aren’t we forfeiting a rather large demographic by not providing for them on Sunday? What better way to bring them in than with a homosexual in the pulpit?

Isn’t pragmatism what drives today’s purpose driven church? And isn’t church growth what we’re all really after here? Don’t we want everybody to come and be loved JUST AS THEY ARE and get “churched”? Isn’t that the great commission? After all – attendance is the true measure of success, is it not? And besides, wouldn’t you rather have everybody than nobody on Sunday morning or are you really that selfish, legalistic and intolerant? Still carrying that religious rulebook around, are you?

I mean LOOK – we wanted the 60’s generation and all its “born to be wild” baby boomers to join us on Sunday so, we applauded when they brought rock and roll into the church. Look what THAT did to the numbers! Later we wanted the grunge crowd to bless us with their presence each week so; we encouraged every one to dress down for Sunday worship and quit acting so pious ‘cause Jesus was really more like one of them than one of us. That REALLY brought them in, didn’t it? Then, to bring generation X on board; we decided that vanity and narcissism was probably OK with Jesus as long as we, in the interest of psychology and higher learning, called it “self-esteem” because you can’t “luv” Jesus until you “luv” yourself, can you? Now that the church is becoming queer friendly, we’re almost indistinguishable from the world! What a victory in Jesus!

Well, I suspect the church will grow now like never before. Won’t it be wonderful? Everybody can just cast aside their theological differences and hang-ups along with the cruel bondage of religious tradition and scripture and do whatever FEELS RIGHT in the cuddly name of Jesus. Lets burn those King James bibles we hate so much and hold hands around the flames of freedom while we watch “god” work in our midst. We’ll make ourselves some new and better bibles that say what we want to hear so nobody gets bored, confused or their feelings hurt with a lot of “Thou shalt nots”.

Yes, we’re finally getting the church we always wanted, aren’t we? All that polling and surveying has really paid off. Think of the possibilities! Once we’ve overcome the rest of our religious inhibitions, we can begin to express our “luv” for each other in new and exciting ways! Just imagine the unity and oneness we’ll experience on Sunday morning when we, at long last, are able to discard all this clothing we so foolishly hide behind – turn the lights down, turn the music up and clear the floor under candlelight and incense for a “luv” fest that everyone can feel a part of – regardless of age, gender or species, as the spirits lead us all into REAL worship.

© 2003 Paul Proctor - All Rights Reserved

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Paul Proctor, a rural resident of the Volunteer state and seasoned veteran of the country music industry, retired from showbiz in the late 1990's to dedicate himself to addressing important social issues from a distinctly biblical perspective. As a freelance writer and regular columnist for NewsWithViews.com, he extols the wisdom and truths of scripture through commentary and insight on cultural trends and current events. His articles appear regularly on a variety of news and opinion sites across the internet and in print. Paul may be reached at [email protected]
 

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I am an Episcopalian and can't believe the Church has sunk to such lows. If the gays want their own church, then form one! Why must we who try to follow scripture and tradition have to have this crap rammed down our throats. What's next, polygamy or adultery being rubber stamped as OK? Makes me sick to my stomach.
 

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Actually, adultury has been rubberstamped ever since the church allowed divorced persons to remarry in the church.

Our Lord said that divorce is acceptable in his eyes only in the case of sexual immorality/adultury. He also said that anyone who then remarries prior to the death of their first spouse is an adulturer. Mk 10:11&12 Mt 5:31&32
 
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