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Hello,
        Last week I traded a .243 for a new GP100. I got the 6" barrelled stainless version. I couldn't bring myself to buy a Smith and Wesson. Now, I've seen some people post that they wonder why nobody talks much about the GP100. Well, mine has the worst bore I've ever seen on a modern firearm!
       This bore looks like three-eyed Ed down the street reamed the bore with a rusty drill bit. It's cut rifling, and the grooves aren't TOO bad, but the lands look terrible! My wife could even see how bad it was, and usually she's the "Oh, that's nice, dear" type when it comes to gun stuff. It doesn't shoot very well, either, especially with lead as you might imagine. It's more of a pattern than a group. Groups with jacketed bullets are probably within specs but aren't really very good. (2-3+ inches at 25 yds)
        I don't know whether to try lapping this thing or send it back to Ruger. I'm very hesitant to send it back, for a variety of reasons, mostly because I have a feeling they'll look at it and say "oh, it's within specs" like I've seen posted here. But I'm afraid there will be no rifling left <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> or the bore will be hugely oversized  by the time I get these reamer marks lapped out. There's one spot that looks almost like the bore is ringed, the mark is so bad.
      The gun handles and balances great, but I'm so disappointed. Honestly, with the exception of my SBH, I ask myself "Why did I do that?" everytime I get a Ruger. Every one I have ever had has had problems or flaws. They can often be worked out (like the 100+ lapping rounds I put through my SBH, and it LOOKED smooth to begin with!! ) but I hate buying something that is not right. Sorry to rant, but I'm kicking myself. I wish I had just gotten the Smith.
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Just for comparison to the above-mentioned group sizes, this is what I am typically getting now with my SBH. Load is Marshall's 265gr WFNGC and AA#5 powder.

I know that's probably not a tiny group by some folks' standards, but I'm happy considering last summer when I got the gun I couldn't be sure of getting all the shots on the paper!    <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
 

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If you get a hold of a new Ruger catalog, There is a part of their co. in Conn. that will switch out your barrel for next to nuthin'.
 I have an old but excellent condition stainless security six that came w/ a 2 3/4" bbl.  I sent it to them and for $150.00 they put a new 4" bbl, retimed it and polished it.  Now it's one of my favorites.....  <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
 

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But how does it shoot?? Looks aren't everything. S&W has it's problems too. I once bought a new 686+ that turned out to have such a bad barrel that even S&W admitted they screwed up. This sucker had such a bad case of thread choke  that i couldn't get a range rod down the bore. I also have a Winchester '94 BigBore in .444 with the roughest barrel I've ever seen. It's also one of my most accurate lever actions. Take the GP100 out shooting a few times...
 

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ID... boy that's a tough situation.  Maybe you might call Ruger first and see what they say.  Could make the decision easier.

Having said that.... I guess I'd just lap the snot out of it (being a do-it-yourself kinda guy).  By the way... you don't have to get ALL the reamer marks out of the barrel.  You probably knew that but some people might not.  When they start to smooth up around the muzzle, usually you're done.

Of course I haven't seen your barrel and am just speculating.  My .357 Blackhawk is very accurate... and you can clearly see reamer marks on top of the rifling at the muzzle.  I lapped it till it cleaned up a little, found out how good it was shooting, and then quit.

I don't suppose you slugged it, did you?  If it really has a bad/tight spot this will tell you, and would be good information to know when you call Ruger.  If the slug goes through the tight spot, then falls the rest of the way through the barrel... it's kind of hard to argue that it's within spec.  You might also get measurements off the slug that exceed their specs, again, just something factual that you can discuss over the phone without anyone getting mad.

Best of luck... I've ended up with a bunch of Rugers, and I suppose I've had pretty good luck with them.
 

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Hi again fellas,
    In response to some of the queries; I have shot the revolver on three seperate trips to the range. I've tried four different kinds of ammunition, two jacketed  and two cast. The best I have done so far is with the two jacketed loads but groups are almost twice the size of the group pictured from my SBH. With two kinds of cast bullets groups are in the 6" range at 25 yards, though neither one leaded the bore.
    MikeG, I have not slugged the bore because it's got five groove rifling and I didn't figure I could measure it anyway. What I have noticed is that when I push a cleaning patch through there is a definite tight and/or rough spot at the barrel threads. The chamber throats will not let a .358" cast bullet fall through.
      I guess I'll keep shooting it and see how it goes. I may call Ruger and talk to them just to get a feel for how they might handle it. I like their designs, just the firearms I have gotten have all had problems. Thanks for the encouragement!  ID
 

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What bullet weights are you testing? Until you decide on whether to lap it yourself or return it to the factory try 180-grain JHP's. The heavier bullets tend to shrug rough barrel problems  better than the lighter slugs. Besides, I personally think the 180 is the best weight in the 6" or longer .357 for anything except urban self defense. If that doesn't help to a significant degree, I would personally return it to Ruger. Their repair people are excellent with rapid turnaround times.
 

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I D Shooter,
Before you lap the barrell, go and buy some common good quality factory ammo.  Put the revolver on target from the bench.  Then you will have a basis from which to talk to Ruger.  They won't listen if you mention "reloads or handloads", they don't like them.  
If you can't get a six inch GP100 to group decently at a standard range, say 25 yds with common ammo then there IS a problem.
You might fix it by lapping, but Ruger might fix it for free.
 

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Hi,
     The loads I've shot through the gun are all 158gr loads. The two jacketed loads are both factory loads, I assembled the lead loads  using some locally cast soft "cowboy" type SWC's and the Laser Cast SWC. I think I'll try another factory load before calling Ruger, that 180gr  Bill mentioned if I can find some. I know the gunmakers don't like reloads, so we'll just not mention those. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
    Yes Chief, I took the picture with a little Polaroid digital camera that my dad gave my boy. Nothin' fancy but now we can easily E-mail pictures since my family all live on the East Coast.

Thanks everyone, I'll keep you posted!    IDShooter
 

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With a problem like this the first thing to do is send it back to Ruger. If you bought the gun sight unseen then those are the chances you take and Ruger should make it right. But if you went into the store fondled the gun looked it over then made the trade maybe you should have passed on that one. I am not trying to p*ss anyone off though it will probably happen, but if you go to a gunstore purchase a gun then when you get home notice a flaw in the gun then you are partly to blame, if the dealer only has the one, tell him to get another one (a problem gun does slip through but not everyone is like that). Sean
 

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ID,

Some of your problems may be from those "cowboy match" bullets. Usually they are so soft that anything much more than 850-900 fps will start to plate your bore. This would compound any roughness already in the barrel.
 

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LoneEagle,
    I understand your position and I don't think you'll tick anyone off. As a matter of fact, I did carefully check function and fit and looked down the bore. There was so much fouling from the proof and/or test rounds that the reamer marks were not very noticable. It was only after cleaning all the copper and gunk out that I could see the bore roughness. And  I don't really expect the dealer to clean all the guns he's going to sell. It took me over an hour to get it good and clean.
     The other side of the coin is that this is a product, just like any other. It was sold new, and is supposed to be a first quality product. To tell you the truth, as a consumer I shouldn't even have to look down the bore! True, mistakes are made but I would hope the company would back the product. And in all fairness to Ruger, I haven't even contacted them yet so it's premature to say they won't take care of it. But I think it is the manufacturer's responsibility to put out a properly built product, not the dealer's or consumer's.
      Bill, you may be right about the cowboy bullets. I'll put them on the back burner until I work things out a little better with this rascal.
      The good news is I'm over that "dang, I got a new toy and it doesn't work right!" feeling and I'm ready to try to make the thing shoot one way or another.     See ya,          IDShooter
 

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IDSHooter, the fact is that like in any business imperfect products do make it out the door. Let Ruger take care of the problem. In my line of work we joke about the Monday and Friday products that we use. Anyway, like I said get ahold of Ruger and let them make it right. Sean
 

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If it's brand new I would definitely complain to Ruger.  I didn't pick up on that right away.
 

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I have several Rugers, all function fine...just MY experience though. My Ruger GP100 was a gift and came to me with a rubbed spot in the rubberized grip. I sent an email buttering them up with what a great product they have and what a loyal customer I am (listing all my Rugers) and said they might check their quality control though due to the flawed grip. Within days I recieved a new grip (which I never even asked for) and a Ruger patch, sticker, and a new lock. Seems to me you should at least give Ruger a chance to make good before you sing the blues...they may surprise ya.

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Well, here's the latest in the saga,
   I called Ruger and explained what was going on and they were nice enough but totally non-committal, said to send it in if I want and they'll take a look at it. They did tell me that their accuracy standard is a worst case of 1" at 15 yds. As far as the bore roughness, I could get nothing out of them.
    So I decided to closely examine the bore one last time in preparation for writing a letter to enclose, and to decide if it really was worth sending it back. Using a light and examining from the forcing cone, one of the gouges is so deep you can actually see it in the groove as well as on the lands, so that convinced me.
       So off to UPS I go. It cost me almost $45 to ship the thing! That really chapped my a**. To get a brand new gun and have to spend $45 bucks to send it back, with no idea at all about whether anything will be done, just torques me. This is taking a lot of the fun out of it, and this revolver and I have not gotten off on the right foot.
      Oh yes, it also bothered me that the lady I spoke to at UPS's 800 number did not know that a revolver is a handgun. What a world we live in!  ID

Whew, just needed to vent!!    <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

Edit- UPS did not make me happy either, Their charges break down as follows:
$43.25 because I had to send it next day air.
$.22 fuel surcharge (even though fuel is at the lowest price in 5 years. )
$2.75 Adult Signature Required charge.
By the way, my local gunshop says they get stuff 2nd day air rather than next day and it is half the price. Does anyone know who makes up these "regulations"? Is it the shipper or the govt? I think I smell a rat here. The shipper using govt. regs to stick you for huge fees.
 

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Oh yes,
  I was in the gun store the other day and a fellow was returning a GP100 on which the cylinder would spin  while the hammer was down.
    Sorry to all you Ruger fans out there, but I think their QC stinks.                       ID
 

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I expect that ruger would fix you up with a new barrel no charge.  The GP should group just like the picture you took of the sbh group. I have a 6" and a 4" and had another 6" before and they were accurate and competent revolvers.
 

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ID, I hate to hear about the GP.  I had a similar problem with Remington's Custom shop several years ago.  They were extremely rude and QC was worse than bad.  From a Custom Shop no less.

As for UPS, I guess they are kinda known in the gun circles as OOPS.  Check out Hamilton Bowen's website, he tells you what he really thinks about them.

Hope this gets taken care of.  Give Ruger a chance to make it right, I'm sure they will.  I've had problems with several guns over the years, of all different makes and models.  Most of the time the manufacturer handled the problem with care and grace.  Remington was the only fly in the ointment.  I will never, ever buy another Remington as long as I live.  I can handle a screw up every now and then, it happens, I may not like it, but it does happen with all major manufacturers.  I will not tolerate rude people though.
 
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