I'm ready to order a F.L. sizer, but also I will need to get some real store bought forming dies for making a new wildcat case out of a Ruger 416 Basic. The question is how to bring this project down to earth. I have a Rock Chucker press, and/or a 2 ton arbor Press. But I'm thinking of a labor saving hydralic app. running on something like a Dillon progressive. This Ruger case is one tough hombre, and I haven't pulled off a rim yet. My case is a 8mm x 416 Ruger, but it is much more than just a necked down version. I redesigned the 8x68M Schuler, using the common U.S. case, slightly modified, to prevent anything close from chambering. So it will take five or six forming steps, before the resizing F.L. stage. Also, this is why I grabbed the Basics, since I don't have to get rid of the existing abrupt shoulders of the 375's or 416's. I admit the 8x338 will work better and be a lot easier to form, but I don't like the belt, sharp shoulder, and shorty neck. My cat, is designed to get rid of the jump in a mil. mauser's chamber throat, and still feed and extract very slickly, but it's going to be really a pain to form cases for, by hand. We have a local shooter who does his skeet loads on just such a hyd. lashup with Dillion progressives, and quick disconnect hyd. hoses from foot activated electric pumps. But I don't know if that rigging will handle the thrust loads of squshing down the big Ruger basic cases.