well fellows, i was looking to buy myself a 45 for my birthday and didn't want to spend a ton of money on a handgun since i'm primarily a rifle shooter. well while looking i came upon hi-points website featuring 100% american made guns. i couldn't resist with the economy like it is and my work curtailment the last half of 09. i decided to spend $189 on an ugly american made gun. i have shot 300 rounds through it so far pcm 45 230 grain fmj. i also bought dies and have reloaded a box as hot as the book called for. i shucked them out with good grouping as well up to 30 yards . i tell ya it doesn't look like much but i'm glad i gave the old american workers a chance and i'm very satisfide with my pistiol. i don't know about the 380, 9mm, or 40 s&w but the 45 is a tight gun. if anyone has a low budget but wants a reliable shooter i would give hi-point a try. i know you can get lemons in any thing you buy, but with a lifetime warranty that's a bonus these days.