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Has anyone been using Lil' Gun for .45's. I'm looking for a starting point for my 5-shot Ruger using 255, 300 and 350 Gr. cast bullets. Can anyone help me?
 

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Will Hodgdon's tech dept. give you the info on this? I'd think there would be some kind of reccommendation. Just a thought.
 

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Will Hodgdon's tech dept. give you the info on this? I'd think there would be some kind of reccommendation. Just a thought.
 

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I already contacted Hodgdon, they only reiterated what was already publicly available on their web site. I'm looking for first hand experience with some heavier loadings.
 

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Try Jeff Quinn over at gunblast.com.  I know he's used Lil' Gun extensively with the 44 mag...he may have data for you regarding the 45 colt.
 

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What's John Taffin have listed on www.sixgunner.com  You might have to hit the back issues.
 

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Have you found anything out.  I read an article about Lil gun having problems at high velocities.  Hodgdon was no help to me.  I have almost decided just to stick with w296 just because I have recieved no responsed to my emails to Hodgdon.  The least they could say is sorry we have no further information to share.

Enough of my griping.  If you have found any info for the Lil gun powder please share it  or where you found it.  
 

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I've shared before, and will do it again, that our experiences here with Lil'Gun haven't been altogether agreeable.  True enough, there are some excellent loads using Lil'Gun in handguns.  However, we've found when developing top-end loads with this powder, that it has a nasty habit of spiking pressures very unexpectedly!

Unlike H110/W296 that have nice smooth, predictable pressure curves while developing loads, Lil'Gun, in our experience at least, tends to go along just fine, then with just a 0.2 grain increment change in powder, have pressures that are not only excessive, but dangerously so!  I really don't like the suddden surprises that this powder displays in terms of unexpected pressure spikes!

On an up-note, I've found nothing to rival Lil'Gun in loads for the .410 Bore shotgun shell, at least in the 2 1/2" loadings.  Great powder in this application, and no surprises here, other than outstanding performance!  I think I'll use my Lil'Gun for grouse loads!

God Bless,

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I'm using lil' gun for my heavy hunting loads in my 45 Colt. I use a load of 20g behind the 260g Nosler Partition. Pressure is low and velocity appears to be good, although I haven't chronographed it yet. The powder appears to burn quite clean and also appears to ignite quite easily. According to the Hodgdon web site, 19g would have been my starting load with this bullet and 21g, the max. No pressure problems with 20g. It actually appears that pressure is quite low with this load. Hope that helps.

 


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I'm using lil' gun for my heavy hunting loads in my 45 Colt. I use a load of 20g behind the 260g Nosler Partition. Pressure is low and velocity appears to be good, although I haven't chronographed it yet.
I would like to see some ACTUAL press/vel data as I have an interest in trying LG in heavy .45 Ruger loads. I, like many others I'm sure, took an immediate interest in the data Hodgdon printed a few years ago regarding it's use in .357 mag. A 158 gr bullet at 1577 fps with only 25,800 CUP!!! Well maybe in a 10" pressure barrel but I couldn't get near that velocity in my 6" S&W. 18.5 grs(!) under a 158 gr XTP only gave me 1353 av fps with wide variations in velocity no matter the primer or slight variations in seating depth. I gave up on it. Now I hear at another forum that a couple hundred rds of it will leave the forcing cone of a .357 looking like "the surface of the moon" because of extreme heat being generated. Hmmmm...Anyway, I used up my first pound in .44 mag loads and haven't bought any since. I think Marshall is onto something here......FWIW, Dennis
 

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I use 296/H110 for heavy 45 colt loads 300/335/340 gr. cast., vel. and groups are fine and the 340gr. hits like a freight train.
 

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I use Lil'Gun in my 45 colt BH. I've got the 7.5 barrel. I'm using 25 gr. of LilGun with a 250 gr. hornady XTP. Don't know the velocity, but that is one accurate load in my colt.:cool: I've tried it in my 357 mag. BH, but for some reason, it doesn't shoot worth a darn. I'm using 15 gr. of 2400 pushing a 140 and 158 gr. XTP. That load is really good in my 357 BH.:D
 

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WOW, an eight-year-old thread! When this thread was new there was no published Lil'Gun data for the .45LC, but today Hodgdon lists plenty of data on their site - have you looked?

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Why yes I have as a matter of fact, thank you very much. I can find no mention from Hodgdon's regarding any of the "quirks" of LilGun such as suddenly spiking pressures with slight charge increase, burning forcing cones, ballistics in actual sixguns being a couple hundred fps below their data etc. Nor is there any mention of SD/ES of velocity. One might suppose that Hodgdon isn't going to bring up such concerns! And when I hear folks saying things like "velocity appears to be".....how in heck does one gleam any solid info from that?!? I'm not interested in someone's "recipe", I'm not baking a cake, or how much LG someone dumped into a .45 Colt case without grenading their sixgun! From all accounts from "thinking" handloaders, it appears that LG isn't very stable at pressure levels H-110/W296 handle with ease. Will I be surprised if Hodgdons should one day decide a disclaimer is in order regarding LG in high intensity handgun applications? Not particularly.....As to the eight year old topic quip, excuuuse me! I found this topic via a search.....:eek:
 

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Wow, a response to a six week old post!
Since you very clearly stated that you wanted actual pressure/velocity data - where did you expect to find it? Oh yeah, that's right, in the "thinking handloader's" pressure gun files! :rolleyes: I was simply trying to anwswer your posted request, I guess in my rush to help I just ended up wasting your time. Don't worry - I won't make that mistake again. :(

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I would like to see some ACTUAL press/vel data as I have an interest in trying LG in heavy .45 Ruger loads...
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Hodgdon Lil Gun performs well for me in the 16” barrel Winchester Model 94 Trapper. I use it for heavy bullet loads. I am not certain I see Lil Gun as significantly better than Hodgdon 110 or Winchester 286 with heavy bullets but it is certainly just bit as useful.
With bullets heavier than 300-grains I expect my extreme spreads with Lil Gun to be less than 20 fps with the standard deviations in the low teens and single digits. This level of uniformity took a bit of loading practice as I had to unlearn a few things. Beartooth forum members John Kort and Marlin Collector started me on the right path using bullets heavier than 260-grains and of larger than standard diameter. The 45 Colt lever action rifles seem to accept bullets .458” diameter and larger without difficulty.

Ross Seyfried wrote an article titled: “Turbocharging the 45 Colt” for the June/July 2000 issue of handloader (#205). On page 32 Seyfried suggests Hodgdon Lil Gun should be named “Big Critter” and I agree. From the 32 H&R Magnum to the 45 Colt Lil Gun delivers tops performance. I have not encountered any erratic behavior. I do tend to use heavy for the caliber bullets and this may have a bearing on my results.

Another excellent article is Seyfrieds: “Hunting Handguns” from the February/March 2000 issue of Handloader (#203). This article compares the power potential of the various big bore handgun cartridges and describes the possibilities of the 45 Colt when loaded for heavy frame revolvers such as the Ruger Bisley. While this article does not contain actual loading data it is a very interesting and useful article for anyone seeking high performance from his hunting handgun.

While I have a few “distractions” this year for deer season I still hope to be able to bring home a cull buck with the Trapper and the big Gould bullet, using Lil Gun powder.
 

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Lil'Gun is the BEST powder that I have used in my B.C. Carbine and I have tried a few........Thats just me.......
 
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