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Hello from Scotland~

I have heard good things about this bullet in .30-30/.307/.30-06/.308 as a bullet that kills/penatrates well yet will expand on small game.

I have been advised to keep the velocity down below 2500 f.p.s as i believe the bullet was designed for the .30-30

Wonder if any one here has any experience of it in any .30 cal rifles ???

On light game ??

On medium/big game ??

I have some on order so will be trying them any how but it would be interesting to here your experience with them ??

Englander
 

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Englander,
I am a recent Convert to the 30/30,and I have but one incident to report with that bullet.
My muzzle velocity is 2100 FPS,and the deer (130 lb buck)was 100 yards downrange.
The bullet entered just behind the shoulder,and exited behind the far shoulder.The deer died instantly;never took another step.
I really like that bullet.
Frank
 

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It has been common practice in the Eastern USA to use .30-30 softpoint bullets, both 150-gr. and 170-gr. in somewhat reduced loads for deer hunting in cartridges such as the .300 Savage, .308 Winchester and .30-'06 Springfield.

The .30-30 bullets perform best on game within the velocity range of 1800-2400 f.p.s. but will expand somewhat down to 1400 f.p.s. at velocities approximating the .32-40 Winchester, as when velocities drop at longer ranges when loaded in lever-action carbines or the Contender pistol. I have found, however, that they are not overly destructive of small game or large game birds, such as wild turkey (typically 8-15 lbs.) when used in reduced loads of 1300-1400 f.p.s. in the .30-'06, or .303 British with charges of 13 grains of Red Dot shotshell powder, PB, SR-7625 or Unique, or with about 20 grains of #2400.

If striking velocity is greater than 2500 f.p.s. as may occur when simply pulling 7.62mm M118 173-gr. match ammunition or .30-'06 Ball or APM2 and substituting the .30-30 bullet, it tends to be overly destructive on deer-sized animals, typical North American whitetailed deer weighing from 100-200 pounds.

An interesting observation which may interest you, is that in my expertience the .30-30 bullets generally have fairly thin jackets and soft lead cores, and they will "slug-up" or obturate fairly well even in worn or over-sized .30 caliber barrels, in cartridges such as the .30--40 Krag or .303 British when loaded with relatively fast-burning rifle powders, such as #2400, 4227 or 4198.

I have a Canadian No. 4 MkII* .303 rifle which gives excellent accuracy and game performance with the 170-gr. .30-30 bullets loaded with 30 grs. of 4198. This is not a heavy load and is very pleasant to shoot, approximating ballistics of the .30-30 Winchester. Similar results can be had with 24 grs. of 4227 or 21 grs. of #2400.
 

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Around my neck of the eastern woods, I think the 150-grain loads are more popular. Since I've never taken an animal with the .30-30 I can't make any personal observations.
 

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Englander; I've used that bullet extensively in 30-30 for deer, black bear, cougar and a couple of other species that got in the way while I was carrying it. I also used it in 308 and 30-06 for throttled back loads when my son started hunting and I wanted to reduce the recoil for him. We've taken moose, deer and black bear with a 2400fps load in both those calibers and they performed just right- good expansion combined with adequate penetration although not through and through. They do not offer great long range trajectories though at those velocities but they are a good bullet within 200 yards. best.
 

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Thanks for the views /experince guys ...........

Im still waiting for my local shop to get these bullets in so i can try them in my M-bolt .308........... 200 yards ! thats plenty for anyone..... I had never fired my rifle at 200 yards till i joined the rifle club.............. hunting situations are so often so much closer, why do so many guys get all worked up about bullet drop at 300-400-500 yards !
When in 99% of situations hunting chances for shots present them selves so much closer !

Been talking to a guy over her who's used them in a .30-30 on our deer with excellant results did'nt do a fox much good either !

Englander :)
 
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