[DOK]

For those of you that don't subscribe to "Shooting Times", you might want to round one up to read the November article "The Great Rifle Sights Shootout".  Author Layne Simpson performs a 100yd and 200yd test with the Marlin 30-30 and iron, peep, electonic (red dot) and scope.  It wouldn't be fair (or legal) to quote the results, but suffice it to say the peep really holds it own with the scope.

Dan

(Edited by DOK at 7:52 pm on Oct. 2, 2001)

 

[Stranger]

Haven't seen that issue on the newsstands here yet. I can't stand the suspense!

 

[DOK]

Stranger,

Amazing how handy this thing called email is -- now I'm safe if our Government hasn't started monitoring my transmissions.  But then if they've seen me shoot, they know I'm not dangerous!!

Dan

 

[Stranger]

I finally saw the article (and thanks for the email preview Dan!). I was genuinely surprised as to how well the peep did out to 200 yds. I was also surprised that the author didn't test an AO Sights Ghost Ring set up. Lastly, he didn't mention much about speed of aquisition. Or did he? In terms of sheer speed on target I'm of the opinion that ghost rings rule.

 

[RugerNo3]

Gunwriters can put all the spin on their sighting systems that they wish. If a person has to hunt cutovers and heavy brush optics can't be beat for picking a shooting lane.  Deflected bullets wound game or cause misses so the best sighting system for your hunting conditions is the one to use.
I've punched 1.5" groups with the stock sights on a #3 Ruger 45-70 at 200 yds on paper, but wouldn't attempt to take big game at that distance in the areas I hunt.
The point is there's no best system for all conditions and optics have a place.

 

[KevinNY]

Peep sights can be incredibly accurate.  I shoot High Power rifle competitively, NYS Service Rifle Team, and test loads at 200 yards off sandbags with a post front sight on my AR15 and have held many groups under 2".  Remember the target isn't moving only the gun is, I think being able to concentrate on the front sight because the target is out of focus helps me hold and squeeze better.   Seing those crosshairs bounce at all throws my focus,but hey thats just me.

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[Stranger]

Kevin:

Are you using a stock front post on your AR? On mine, it seems to subtend too much of the target making a tight group difficult.

I must be a little different. When I shoot paper (non-competitively) with my AR I crank up my scope to 9X. The ampliflied motion of the reticle helps to force me to settle down. Those are jitters that I wouldn't notice with peep and post.

Also, what load do you use in competition?

 

[mcassill]

The articles apparantly doesn't discuss speed of target aquistion, which is an important factor.  The red dot is quite popular with the SOCOM "operators" because of that factor plus its compatibility with night vision equipment.  The Aimpoint that they use has some settings that project an IR dot, invisible to the naked eye but showing up as a nice, freindly green when a PVS-14 is mounted behind it.  Civilians CAN buy that stuff if you have serious &#36&#36&#36, but the game warden is going to look at you a little funny if you show up in the deer woods with such hardware mounted on your Marlin.  <!--emo&--><img src="http://beartoothbullets.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''><!--endemo-->
Good shooting
Mark

 

[BrianK]

I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, I just bit the bullet....

EOTech 550 with armor removed works better than the Aimpoint IMHO. In use the EOTech "disappears" leaving only the FOV of the PVS14 and the reticle. The only problem is that the NV makes the 1 moa dot about 5 moa. OK for close night coyotes. Opens groups up to about 3 inches at 100 yards. Better would be an IR laser aiming module and leave the EOTech switched off but thats another chunk of change. Check the links.

http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Products/Eotech/eotech.html

http://www.insightlights.com/contacts.htm

My game warden didn't think it was strange, we can use that gear for night coyotes. It's easier than handling a light and the coyotes won't know what hit 'em even with an IR illuminator to fill in the shadows. His only consideration was that I don't practice with it during deer season. Thanked me for letting him know there'd be shooting at night on the hill. I haven't heard from the neightbors yet, I have to wonder what they've been thinking....

Addition: One thing I didn't mention is the setup described uses the existing sight for both day and night, the PVS14 gets switched and doesn't need sighting in since it's only being used as a viewer, so many rifles can use the same NV as long as they have a compatible sight mounted.

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[mcassill]

BrainK:
I've heard good things about the EOTech; I take it that it does not come with an IR option?  
I was under the impression that IR lasers were a LE/military only item.  I know the SOCOM operators use them to great effect on their CQB weapons (as Usama will soon be learning...).
Good shooting
Mark

 

[KevinNY]

Jack,
     I use a NM profile .052 wide front post that apperars the same width as the black on all highpower targets.  For 200 and 300 I use 69 gr Matchkings with 25.5 grs Varget and a WSR in LC cases. At 600 I use 80 gr Matchkings with 25grs Varget seated long in win. cases and CCI BR-4 primers.  The barrel is a 1/8 twist Kreiger.                                
                                 KevinNY

 

[KevinNY]

Jack,
     I use a NM profile .052 wide front post that apperars the same width as the black on all highpower targets.  For 200 and 300 I use 69 gr Matchkings with 25.5 grs Varget and a WSR in LC cases. At 600 I use 80 gr Matchkings with 25grs Varget seated long in win. cases and CCI BR-4 primers.  The barrel is a 1/8 twist Kreiger.                                
                                 KevinNY